Comment on 'An Insult To Life Itself': Hayao Miyazaki’s AI Criticism Resurfaces As OpenAI’s Ghibli-Style Image Trend Takes Over Social Media

• Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I owe you anon-joke answer. It’s not just a matter of personal taste here. Art is fundamentally the study of choice. A product that entails no actual choices is not art, even if you have a salable product that happens to be pretty. All genAI lacks the underlying meanings that evoke thought.

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The premise here is that AI is generating art. That’s simply not true. People make art. AI is a tool not an artist. ‘AI art’ is art made by people using AI tools. The paintbrush doesn’t understand underlying meaning, it is a tool used by a person to create art. A diffusion model doesn’t understand meaning, but it also doesn’t create anything by itself. it is a tool that a person chooses to use.

    The person chooses what to generate, what to manually create and how to mix those elements to create a composition that they, a human person, decide is what they want.

    It’s no different than using Krita or Photoshop, with their various plugins and image manipulation capabilities (which also don’t understand meaning), to create art.

    It’s just a tool, there is no ‘AI art’, it is all created by people.

    If I throw a bucket of paint on a canvas and call it art. You can say that it is bad art, but saying that it is not art because the bucket of paint doesn’t understand art is nonsense. The same is true of any other tool that a person chooses to use to make art.

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Well, there’s a word for art that was made by someone using tools: art.

      This has mainly not been what people use it for, and far more importantly such people aren’t even the target market. It’s exceedingly poor form to pretend otherwise.

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      • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        People use Photoshop to create cat memes and manipulate pictures of Vice President J. D. Vance but that doesn’t mean that the use of Photoshop disqualifies the output from being considered art. Even the cat pictures are art.

        If a person decides they want to create an image in the style of a film that they love and they make something that fits their vision then who are we to say that it isn’t art? Do we have the right to examine their entire process to determine that they used only the tools that we approve of and only the methods that we approve of? Are they disqualified for using generative fill to fix some complex shading?

        What if they generate a tree, is the rest of the piece now ‘Not Art’ because they used an AI tool?

        That’s why this position against generative art doesn’t make any sense. The line you choose to draw between ‘Real Art’ and ‘Not Art’ is always going to be arbitrary and no two people will have the same definition.

        I think this is a great example of people confusing their personal tastes with some universal truth about the world. "I don’t like art generated with AI tools’ is perfectly valid. But to simply declare that my personal taste is THE Definition of Art is hubris.

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• Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’ll take that L if you find me one professional artist who uses genAI and not ironically.

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  • e0qdk@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I know a graphics designer personally (from work) who used an AI generated video clip as part of a proposed background video for the landing page of a marketing-style website that was getting a refresh on one of our projects. That one ultimately didn’t end up getting used – not because it looked bad, but because of other branding considerations. Frankly, I’m glad that he didn’t have to put much effort into making something that ended up getting canned.

    There’s a LOT of art out there that’s functional. Few people stop and pay attention to it as art in itself – and it rarely lasts more than a few years before getting swapped out for something else in rebranding – but someone with design sense still needs to make it or a product will be less appealing.

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  • Kuinox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Grimes, shared AI that copy her voice, claim to use AI: time.com/7212502/grimes-ai-art-interview/

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I’m feeling safe unless you got any artists who managed not to fuck Elon Musk

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      • Kuinox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Arent you moving goalpost, you asked one professional artist.
        Here another one: Jess MacCormack

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    • anonymous_in_atl@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I think we can do better than Grimes.

      …unless you’re lookin’ to warm up that chrome.

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  • FauxLiving@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    There were images created, in part, by generative AI in some recent Call of Duty game. The person who created the piece was employed professionally by the studio that makes the game.

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