This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
I totally disagree.
Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
Submitted 1 year ago by AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee to fediverse@lemmy.world
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commander@lemmings.world 1 year ago
ad_on_is@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Whether these are just lazy excuses or not, but let’s be real for a moment.
Imagine someone, who’s used to go to reddit.com, search for a reddit app in the app store, both of which have the same logo, design, etc… and use their username/password to login and browse the content.
almost every service, that people use for the last decades is based on this specific approach, except for emails. Even the TLD was always .com
Now imagine, how overwhelmed those people might feel, when you tell them “just come over to lemmy”.
Lemmy, where? lemmy.com? Here’s where you than start explaining the different instances, federation, etc…
the next question will be: where’s the Lemmy app? Remember, the unified logo and design? well, good luck explaining that all lemmy apps are de facto third-party-apps.
Now, once they make it throug all of that, the next hurdle that will confuse the hell out of them are the communities scattered all across the instances.
kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
While I understand and largely agree with your point, I think it’s worthwhile to question whether it’s reasonable that this is the way people expect the Internet to work.
Companies have spent the last 15 years o so making their best efforts at obscuring the stack, so that unless you’re somewhat tech-savvy, you can’t tell the concept of app apart from the concept of server. Not unlike how Android and iOS have been obscuring many basics of the system to the point that some people don’t even know what a filesystem is.
Perhaps this situation should be regarded as a problem to be solved, rather than just “the way things work” and that we need to cather to it. Mostly because FOSS services will always, invariably, struggle to adapt to a conception of the internet optimized for consumption and nothing else.
I agree that people nowadays might struggle to understand what, for instance, a third-party app is, but I also think it’s too an unreasonably low bar to just let it be, and have FOSS forever playing acrobatics to somehow adapt to it.
Whether Lemmy should be the one leading this struggle is a whole another argument lol. Somehow forcing people to understand this with Lemmy in particular, without changing anything of the larger culture, will just cause people to not use Lemmy outright.
But this cannot be the way it works. Everyone using the internet needs some bare minimum tech literacy.
ad_on_is@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Companies have spent the last 15 years o so making their best efforts at obscuring the stack,
I fully agree here. Whatever software they have developed, is not rocket science, and mostly based off of existing standards.
Gmail, Outlook, etc… just a bunch of *DAV servers on top of an emailing service, paired with some SSO. Same goes for Reddit/X/FB. A simple DB just storing some info and doing some fancy sorting based on that info.
Perhaps this situation should be regarded as a problem to be solved
Yes!
But, on the other hand it’s a two-fold sword.
Corps are making money off of peoples lack of knowledge, and this has been the way of how “offering a service” is being done probably since human history… and yes, it pisses me off as well, especially when it comes to human health and nutrition, etc…
But…
Say, you hire contract workers, to build a house, bc. you don’t know how to do it yourself. Then you need to hire someone else to approve the quality of the work that’s been done, since again… you lack the knowledge. After you’ve moved in, something breaks, again… you hire someone to fix it.
Now, at what point do you start learning about all the components involved in a built house? electricity, plumbering, walls, etc… and most importantly, do you even care in learning so or not?
And some people, just don’t care. They simply don’t. Even if the concept of a topic is very easy to grasp, they simply lack the interest in knowing about how it works.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
“Lemmy has 47k monthly active users
- discuss.online if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- sopuli.xyz if you want a server located in the EU
- vger.app if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions”
Pinned post on !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com
ad_on_is@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think, you didn’t get my point. Everything you mentioned.
lawyerz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep. I came, couldn’t get into it, lemmy.world/post/1388830 and unfortunately went back to Reddit.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Nowadays, !communitypromo@lemmy.ca has daily threads promoting active communities
Also what client where you using for that screenshot? Clients usually show instances after the communities name
lawyerz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Boost. That was 1 year ago.
Superheavy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Kind of wishing for a light mode. I like to keep things light during the day, and dark at night. Crazy right?
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
You can choose the light theme in your settings
Superheavy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh dang, after switching the themes back and forth it now actually follows system settings. Cookies/cache are a strange thing I guess. Thanks!
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Add a bell button and a whistle button.
I think instead of promoting a page where people have to choose a server, just send people to lemmy.world directly. We should probably just get people to sign up there at first and have the ability to migrate their accounts to other servers if they want to do that later.
Having to choose from multiple servers is asking people to choose between a bunch of options they know nothing about. Get people straight to looking at content and posting stuff as soon as possible, once they’re more invested, and understand more about the different instances they can change servers if that’s what they want to do.
But yeah writhing the code needed to make account migration seamless might be a lot of work so not sure if that will happen.
slightlytonedeaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You need to give people the photon link: photon.lemmy.world
Lemmy has multiple view options, photon is the one that looks the most/exactly like Reddit.
The other view options are; a.lemmy.world - Alexandrite UI photon.lemmy.world - Photon UI m.lemmy.world - Voyager mobile UI old.lemmy.world - A familiar UI
arotrios@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
A solution to this is, actually, more federation. Many lemmy instances could band together by building a front page interface that combined all of the best posts across servers
Isn’t that All?
bufalo1973@lemm.ee 1 year ago
If I understand it correctly you want something like what Mastodon has, splitting “your stream” and “world stream”, being the second the default one. Am I right?
slightlytonedeaf@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had no idea I wasn’t actually seeing the front page of everything
And009@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
More federation is good, but lemmy had a defederation fiasco when everyone was paying attention.
People have enough of that IRL and want a truly global community.
adrianhooves@lemmy.today 1 year ago
“bad ux? bad ui?” i am a graphic designer!!! i only use linux and open source software like inkscape!! yea let’s go!! fediverse
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Fully agree with that, the bar is too to high usually unless you’re being handheld through the process, realistically there should be an app like how blue sky is that doesn’t give you any of the options because less options means easier setup. If they want to jump instances after that that would be considered an advanced function but they can choose to do so on their own accord.
Another issue I think is lack of actual awareness, like Bsky got media coverage, the everyday person still is like “the hells a lemmy”
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’ve used Voyager before and while it comes close, unless they changed how the app operates, I don’t think that app fits the description that I’m asking for. 1.
The entire issue with Lemmy is the Federation aspect of it, while it’s a good thing to have it’s way too confusing for the everyday person. For example I use eternity, the only layout that remotely looks decent in my opinion. It worked similar to Voyager where when you open it for the first time it brought you to an instance and then when you went to make an account it asked you which instance you wanted to make the account on. That right there is going to turn away a good 30 to 40% of the people looking. I know it almost turned me away.
For the point of responding to this comment I reinstalled Voyager, I’m going to portray my experience from someone who doesn’t have experience with the fediverse. If you don’t wish to see the narration, you can skip the spoiler
Okay cool I see a bunch of posts, I expect this lem.ee thing is the program oh fun they have Politics on the front page I thought I was trying to avoid that but okay there are some memes here that are pretty cool, let me try to like one,
oh I need an account yeah that makes sense, neat they have a learn more button(most people likely won’t click this btw) okay an entire page explaining that the programs like an email client, how is up voting content like receiving emails 😕(personally think they should have used subscribe/follow for that imo)
Okay cool I think I get it let me just use the default instance, let me just skip past all of this pointless TOS stuff, “please write I accept acknowledging that you’ve read the rules in the sidebar on the front page.” uhh Sidebar? Well I don’t know how to get to that so let me try the next instance, lemmy.world sounds good. and that one is a 1 2 3 process(if email verification works)
From here they have a functioning account but the app has failed to tell them the core aspects of what federation is, they’ve failed to explain what defederation is, they failed to explain what the repercussions of choosing an instance does, it’s only explained that Lemmy is like email, and to the everyday user, email is identical across all providers, users very rarely if at all have an email provider actively block an email server because they don’t agree with what’s going on there. For example in the case of LW by choosing that platform you’re actively removing yourself from anything that’s against their mentalities such as the piracy community, you’re also subjecting yourself to a somewhat heavy moderation style instance and also subjecting yourself to hatred in the community without actually realizing you’re doing so. You won’t know this tell you get told by a user (and you WILL get told by a user).
This could be avoided by having a integration with fediseer or being able to integrate with the instances Blacklist so you can see what is blocked. Or even just a link to their rules would be amazing.
That’s my main annoyance in current mobile apps, they are only decent for established fediversers. Most people would have left second or third message into my experience and just gone back to other platforms
Brown_dude69@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would hundred percent agree with that! Lemmy we need a app/website with a better UI
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
hmmm@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
We have a good looking UI try Summit or Thunder for Lemmy for app and phtn.app for Web
javacafe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Lots of Lemmy clients have great UI. The default web interface looks fine as well.
Wait till they try out Matrix. No client works properly and all the mobile clients are really bad.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We could stop bullying .ml users for being .ml users. That’s the only “war” I have seen here.
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 1 year ago
For real. I’ve seen people being dicks from every instance. I see far more .world peeps going into a frenzy because their world view was slightly critiqued than crazy tankie takes. Not saying those don’t happen, and fuck tankies, but there’s definitely more whining “fuck .ml” memes I see. It’s just jingoistic bullshit. This is the Internet, nothing you do here really matters. Get the fuck over yourselves.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I prefer to judge people by their actions rather than what instance they’re from. If I did, I would assume every feddit.uk user eats beans and toast for breakfast.
WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I believe the accusation is that the admins and moderators had a discord server that they were coordinating harassment campaigns from.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How is a simple reasonable skirmish, a war ?
pogt@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
And they don’t have to join. I really don’t mean this in a dismissive way and respect their opinion. But why all this worrying about the need to have the fediverse dominate all social media? Maybe it’s meant to be this way: your vibe decides your tribe. My vibe isn’t commercial, toxic political talk, or influencers, thus my tribe is the fediverse instead of IG or Tiktok.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
To the guy in here going “UX != UI!!!” Sure, but you can’t design UX, especially for the unwashed masses. “Tried cutting toenails with lawnmower; severed foot. 0/10 bad user experience.”
Lemmy has a “have our cake and eat it too” problem. It offers two mutually exclusive promises:
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Each instance is its own independent self-contained little Reddit with their own communities, culture, code of conduct etc. so that individuals can find a place that suits them or make one if none is available, and
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All the servers are part of one great big federated system where all users have access to content on all instances so it doesn’t matter which instance you sign up for, you can access it all.
In practice, the former is more or less true, the latter really isn’t.
First there’s the obvious topic of defederation, which makes the “join one server, access all of them” an outright lie. On the one hand, I think everyone here will agree this platform requires defederation to function so that we can kick out instances like lolli.rape or whatever, which thank you admins and mods for dealing with. But what about Hexbear, or Truth Social (which as I understand it is running on Mastodon software). The only honest answer to “where do we draw that line?” is “somewhere in the middle of that slap fight over there.”
It is intellectually dishonest to say that Lemmy has this problem and Reddit doesn’t. Post in r/mensrights and an automod bans you from r/twoxchromosomes. Do basically anything anywhere on the platform and get banned from r/conservative. They managed to implement “It’s a different platform depending on who you are” on a monolithic service.
All that crap aside, the average user has a more limited perspective on the rest of the fediverse than his home instance. Often, the UI defaults to viewing only local posts, you have to tell it to give you a global feed. You can browse a list of your local communities, you can browse a list of global communities, you can’t browse a list of communities on a given foreign instance. ‘Show me everything on lemmy.sports’ or indeed ‘show me a list of communities on lemmy.nsfw.’ You cannot create (or moderate?) communities on instances you aren’t a member of. It is, if only slightly, easier to participate on your home instance than elsewhere.
Either your choice of server does matter, or it doesn’t.
If it does matter, we shouldn’t have so many general purpose instances, it should be lemmy.music and lemmy.art and lemmy.uk. Then newcomers are presented a meaningful choice. Are you mostly interested in discussions pertaining to your country? Your hobby? Your career? Sign up here to mostly participate in that, and no matter which you pick you can visit the rest of the Lemmyverse, too."
If it doesn’t matter, then design it such that instances are entirely transparent to users; eliminate the possibility of !linux@lemmy.world and !linux@lemmy.ml coexisting, and make all instances lemmy1.world lemmy2.world, issue credentials centrally and then just spread the load in the background.
I don’t think you can have both at the same time.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m of the opinion that federation should only prevent a community or instance from appearing in the all feed. I should still be able to subscribe to communities that my instance has defederated from.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If I understand the way the Fediverse works correctly, global content viewed by members of an instance gets cached on that instance. So even though this thread is “on” lemmy.world, because I’m participating here there’s also a copy on sh.itjust.works and that copy gets passed to me.
Among the instances sh.itjust.works is defederated from, there’s one called “rape.pet”. I’m okay with The_Dude saying “No, you can’t get there from here” to shit like that.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
First there’s the obvious topic of defederation, which makes the “join one server, access all of them” an outright lie.
- lemmy.sdf.org/instances blocks one outdated Kbin instance
- lemmy.today/instances blocklist is empty
Still those two instances aren’t that popular
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Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Well, when I started to use lemmy I had a few problems:
- I read something on the landing page about “Mastodon account works too” so tried that, so basically confused fediverse, activitypub, mastodon and lemmy and wondered why nothing worked. Oops.
- I tried to join a community that was meant to migrate away from reddit, but found two duplicates. So I wasn’t sure which one was the correct one. Ultimately the migration failed, even though it was a software oriented community
- Then I soon wanted to make a new account on a server that doesn’t require an email. Because emails today are basically personally identifiable for security agencies.
- Then I found out that socialists are called tankies on lemmy and some of the main socialist instances are banned by the limbrols. So I made a new account and posted a little and had an interesting discussion about voting in proto-fascist democracies and promptly got banned by the tankies. Oh well.
- Then I had a discussion about how calling russian people “orcs” is racist. You guessed it, banned.
- Well several accounts later, here I am, the last sane man on the internet and you all fucking suck hahaha
I do think lemmy is worthwhile and can be fun, but as a reddit alternative it has already failed. You cannot purge insanity by splitting it up into smaller insanlets. That’s just schizophrenia.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What are those?
limbrols
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I tried to join a community that was meant to migrate away from reddit, but found two duplicates. So I wasn’t sure which one was the correct one. Ultimately the migration failed, even though it was a software oriented community
Which community was it?
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
Your #4 seems inaccurate, unless you were just walking us through your changing perspective as you joined.
This place is very left leaning and I’m sure it’s loaded with people who happily call themselves socialists while shouting down the MLs/tankies.
The main difference afaik is that they support authoritarians.
Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Lemmy has little reactionary people, but your definitions on who is authoritarian or who or what is “good” or “evil” have been manufactured by the mainstream media.
If you ever wonder on how to prevent foreign or capitalist interference into elections and mainstream social media, you will find yourself looking to China and Russia for inspiration.
Instead Lemmy has cut off any dissent from the actual socialists, those who oppose the systems that created the conditions for the rise of neofascism. People can’t even imagine or tolerate other ways of managing power. Therefor Lemmy is a failure.
Cocopanda@futurology.today 1 year ago
When the Orcs are raping elderly women and their sons. Then murdering them. They deserve the name. Just so you’re aware. There’s a reason they are called this. They earned it.
Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
You can use extreme examples about any group, like black americans, or chinese, japanese or vietnamese enemies and then use derogatory names for the whole group.
Doing that is called racism. Example: You’re a racist, like a nazi. Since we’re on lemmy, all lemmy users are nazis. See how stupid that is to say?
Once a war starts, law and order goes out the window and war crimes are inevitable, as well as awful death and destruction and untold suffering.
And Russia is not solely responsible for starting this war. Should others who helped to start it not be held accountable?
Also, the civilian death toll in the Ukraine war is still lower than the death toll in gaza or the (second) iraq invasion. It’s also hypocritical to dehumanize Russians but not USArians.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 year ago
Good.
bitwize01@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I sincerely hope there’s less content here than Reddit, forever. I hope the UI keeps the masses out, and the technically savy are the only ones here.
I want to doomscroll less, I want to be astroturfed less. I want to interact with more humans and fewer bots, even when that means I interact less. I want fewer AI prompts, AI Art and corpo spam ads masquerading as engagement. I want less video and more text. Overall, I want to be spending less time on the internet, on my phone, and I don’t want to hear about every last toxic thing Trump did to drive me crazy. Lemmy helps me control that feed better, so I deleted my reddit account and I hope to stay here until I manage to stop opening social media at all.
Lemmy right now feels like the internet before the long september. I hope it never changes.
pogt@lemmy.wtf 1 year ago
I love this! Totally agree, and you know what? I don’t need to give you an “award” and enrich the site owners with unnecessary money waste. I hope it never changes too. Quality over quantity.
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
The best reward on a Lemmy comment is an interesting and thoughtful reply.
obsolete@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The main reason why I still prefer Reddit, is content. Even though I am subscribed to similar subs/communities/magazines/whatever on Reddit/Lemmy, the content of my Reddit home screen is filled with interesting content compared to Lemmy. And, I never had to ban/hide anything/anyone on Reddit.
AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That problem will go away if we get more people to join lemmy by providing good smooth UX
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
TeraByteMarx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I’ve decided this is good and want a Lemmy that is restricted to just the nerdiest of nerds. These little spaces are cool without all those horrible reddit users.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I like this idea! I still don’t see how the more narrowly focussed servers would benefit me. I went with Lemmy.world because size matters in a forum, and the admins have been outstanding with reliability. The most likely reason for me to jump ship would be if that reliability fell.
That being said when I was new I had no idea what hexbear was or Lemmy.ml or whatever, and there’s only so much a description can do. I know the difference after reading many discussion threads
But I so would have jumped on Lemmy.nerds over Lemmy.jocks or Lemmy.preppies. Multiple servers with clearer sub communities may help make onboarding easier. That being said, I realize I could just do that if I wanted to. I also realize that may just amplify lift the echo chamber effect
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
Part of me wants the fediverse to take over because the world needs open systems and not corporate outlets for ads and propaganda.
But this place is really fun how it is and I want to be selfish and keep the precious all for ourselves.
I think we have a lot of wiggle room between the two, fortunately. If we get 10x the users with the barriers to entry doing the same filtering as now, this place could really be hopping. But if we get 1000x the users and start doing Reddit numbers, who knows what it will be like.
Knowing humans, maybe there’s a critical mass at which Lemmy would fracture into multiple fediverse islands. But each could still be vastly larger than all of Lemmy right now.
Rawdogthatexe@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This is why I like SomethingAwful forums too. Open since 1999 and an account costs $10. Just a little barrier to entry keeps out the worst people and trolls help fund the site by reregistering!
piecat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The less profitable we are, the less they’ll bother us.
Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
The closer we are to irrelevance, the farther we are from harm!
Kevnyon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The problem is content, there isn’t any. Either I select all -> hot and see new content that almost feels like /r/subreddit_name/new or I select all -> active and while those have engagement, its all very old content, like a day old, two days old, etc. And then the other problem is that I only see two types of content usually: Either articles or screenshots from social media. Nothing else.
I just think that unless there’s a sudden influx of users for whatever reason, lemmy will never pick up. We just need more and more people, but have no way of getting them, not to mention so many communities just choosing not to migrate off Reddit, especially huge sports communities.
harsh3466@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
You’re right, but you’re also not seeing some of the great and diverse content on Lemmy. Obviously reddit has a fuckton more content. Network effect and all that, but my Lemmy feed is not as you describe. I’m subscribed to a bunch of Linux, FOSS, privacy, music, and other great communities. While I do see articles and screen caps when I browse the all feed, my curated feed is full of questions, discussions, new (to me) music and more.
It certainly takes some effort to curate a feed for yourself, but it can be done.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
- !communitypromo@lemmy.ca can help
- "Top Day / 12 hours/ 6 hours" works better than Hot
- "New comments " works better than Active
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Even worse, the Tankies are basically running the landing page that asks them which instance to join.
We should probably make a non-tankie version and get it trending for the Algorithm.
Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Ah yes, the US is being run by a fascist pedophile and his 4 techbros of the apocalypse, but lets focus on the tankies because clearly they are the real problem haha.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tankies promoted that fascist pedophile, literally promoted him on Hexbear and praised him, and regularly promote both-sides-bad centrism that empowers him.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Bad UX isn’t keeping most people away from Lemmy. Not being able to give up their addiction to Reddit is what’s keeping them from Lemmy. There’s a lot of people who will complain about the shitty things billionaires and tech companies and politicians do to them, but aren’t willing to lift a finger to change things.
You’re never going to bring those people to Lemmy unless Reddit shuts down and you develop an algorithm to spoon feed them whatever they want to feed their doomscrolling habit. Lemmy is better off without them.
match@pawb.social 1 year ago
whatever, just make a lemmy app that defaults to lemmy.world i guess
matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 year ago
I disagree that this is a concern. If you are already exaggerating about federation wars, chances are you already tried lemmy and know a good bit about selecting instances. The average user will not care as much as you do.
The average user will go to join-lemmy site, will not care at all about the different instances and likely choose the biggest one or first one they see. None of them will think “oh no this one is involved in federation wars” because thats not something you find out before knowing some about the fediverse.
evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It should have an account creation process like those old RPGs where it asks a series of questions then says, “we recommend this server: <blah>. It is <one short sentence about its content>” then has click next to proceed or click “I want to choose another server” to just get a list.
1-hate, 5-love Do you like capitalism? Do you like tech? Do you like sports? etc
doug@lemmy.today 1 year ago
imo this friction will erode as larger instances come into play; people will join a large, main instance without even knowing of the others, and-- if they have a problem with the instance they joined-- they’ll find they can easily jump ship there.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 year ago
LEMMY IS FUN PLEASE
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is this a poll result or an opinion? Because I like the Lemmy UX a lot better than reddit.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Who volunteers to fix it?
Gustephan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s depressing how many top level comments or replies are about how people like that there is a technical barrier gatekeeping lemmy. Are yall actually leftists or do you just pretend to be while worshipping your own version of social hierarchy in which us nerds are on top?