Submitted 3 weeks ago by VantaBrandon@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-using-full-self-driving-hits-deer-without-slowing-1851683918
OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.
How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we’re going to allow Elon to murder every year?
self driving cars should absolutely be banned from public roads.
Oooooh, can we shut Elon down? I mean literally shut down actual Elon. Does he have an off switch? He’s gone wonky and I’d like to turn him off now.
I’d like to turn him off now.
Just as well. If you turn him on he offers to buy you a pony.
I know a lot of people here are/will be mad at Musk simply for personal political disagreement, but even just putting that aside, I’ve never liked the idea of self-driving cars. There’s just too much that can go wrong too easily, and in a 1-ton piece of metal and glass moving at speeds up to near 100 mph, you need to be able to have the control enough to respond within a few seconds if the unexpected happens, like a deer jumping in the middle of the road. Computers don’t, and may never, have the benefit of contextual awareness to make the right decision as often as a human would in those situations. I’m not going to cheer for the downfall of Musk or Tesla as a whole, but they do severely need to reconsider this idea or else there will be a lot of people hurt and/or killed and a lot of liability on them when it happens. That’s a lot of risk to take on for a smaller auto maker like them, just thinking in business terms.
I mean we do let humans drive cars and some of them are as dumb as bricks and some are malicious little freaks.
Not saying we are anywhere FSD and Elon is a clown, but I would support a future with this technology if we ever got there. The issue is we would have to be all or nothing. Like you can’t have a mix of robots and people driving around.
The problem is that with dumb drivers you can easily place blame at the driver and make him pay for his idiocracy. FSD is a lot more complicated. You can’t really blame the driver since he wasn’t driving the car but neither did the engineer or the company itself. We’d have to draw up entirely new frameworks in order to define and place criminal neglect if one should exist. Is the company responsible for a malicious developer? Is the company responsible for a driver ignoring a set guideline and sits impaired behind the emergency stop? Is the driver responsible for a software fault?
All of these questions and many more needs to be answered. Some probably can’t and must remain a so-called “act of God” with no blame to place. And people is not fond of blaming just the software, they’re out for blood when an accident happens and software don’t bleed. Of course the above questions might be the easiest to answer but the point still stands.
An FSD car that makes perfect decisions would theoretically be safer than a human driver who also makes perfect decisions, if for no other reason than the car could do it faster.
Personally, I would love to see autonomous cars see widespread use. They don’t have to be perfect, just safer mile-for-mile than human drivers. (Which means that Teslas, with Musk’s gobsmackingly stupid insistence on only using cameras, will never reach that threshold).
How many deer are on that road? It’s mowing down dozens of them in that video!
The one thing I will say is this isn’t a human… Deer probably aren’t in their training data at near the rates humans are.
It’s definitely still concerning, but also still maybe more trustworthy than some human drivers. We seriously give licenses to too many people. Within the last week I’ve seen a guy that went into the other lane by like 4’ multiple times and I also saw a lady who blocked 2 lanes of traffic so she could make an illegal U turn on a 4 lane city street (rather than you know turning off on a side street/one of many nearby parking lots and turning around).
Deer and other animals are extremely common on rural roads. If they don’t have enough training data then they are being willfully incompetent.
Just a small clarification… Teslas only kill forward or backwards. Hardly ever has a car killed left or right 😂.
How does that compare to the number of deer/miles traveled of “regular” cars? That’s the important part.
If it had braked and just couldn’t stop it would be comparable to a person. Continuing at full speed into a solid object on the road is the same as the worst human driver.
That’s one example, do you seriously believe there are no cases of human drivers not slowing down before hitting something because they’re busy checking their phone or they’re DUI?
its just a deer
Deer are people too…
I thought the deer would be running or something, but no its just straight on from the car, doesn’t move at all! How the fuck does a deer standing dead center in front of you not get caught by the camera!
You don’t think humans are doing this?
Are you honestly defending this, the software took a life and didnt react. Im not on a skynet buzz but it is concerningly bad software and implementation.
I dont care if humans do it, they shouldnt and that should be the easy bar to clear in implementing a replacement for humans.
Honestly if the software is better than humans yeah. I’m also very much moving insurance costs to the software and having insurance based on those exact things.
If the software is safer then humans I don’t care if it makes mistakes at a lower rate.
I wouldn’t be against using teslas to clean up the deer overpopulation problem in the US. I’m in favor of rolling this code into all Tesla models in the next update.
“there was no Danger to my Chasis”
Fleur_@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I cannot support tesla now that I know they aren’t vegan smh
ThePantser@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It kills the deer and keeps on going, it doesn’t stop to let you collect it so you can eat it. They are chaotic evil vegans.
jaybone@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You’re supposed to collect it and then stage a bicycle accident in Central Park.