What annoys me about companies like StackOverflow, Reddit, Twitter, etc. partnering with AI firms is that they do not actually create any of the content on their platforms. Sure, if you read the terms they technically own the data, but still…
Stack Overflow and OpenAI Partner
Submitted 6 months ago by lemmyreader@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world
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vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
stevestevesteve@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just more nonsense showing how broken modern copyright is. It’s too hard to write weasely legalese to just say you have the right to reproduce content submitted to your website, you have to own it entirely. And if you own it, why not sell it?
PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s not difficult at all, these companies just have no reason to do it that way. They force you to agree to their terms before you can use the website at all, which means they’re in a much better position to make demands. We can’t counter with anything, it’s just “agree that we own this copy of your content”.
And most of us agree to it because we have no way of knowing that someday our content might actually be worth something.
bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I don’t think it’s broken. I’m pretty sure it’s working as intended. In the early days of the colonisation of the web capitalists made it already pretty clear how property laws will be applied there.
MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s basically what most tech companies are trying to optimize these days, the ability to make money off of other people’s work. It’s why they’re so hyped about trying to use AI to replace the very workers it’s trained on.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Most of modern civilization wasn’t built by the current S&P500 — most of them didn’t exist 100 years ago, let alone 50 — it was built by humanity, collectively, over thousands of years.
That fact won’t stop any individual or corporation from trying to claim absolute dominion over the entire human population, all derivative works, or the rest of our descendants futures, for all eternity.
Xantar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Can’t wait to get insulted by the AI for asking a “stupid” question and be told the answer has already been asked without a link but with a passive aggressive tone.
bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Or being to to google the problem with the only result being the question you just asked.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
We will fondly look back on the days of finding highly specific dead forum threads that are a decade or more old about the issue we were having.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
And a reply post saying
nvm figured it out
with no additional details
GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 months ago
DUPLICATE COMMENT
mhague@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah but a lot of people don’t really know what SO is for. They think you just go there and get help and call it a day. But the entire point is to produce structured questions, discourse, and answers aimed at future readers. Super specific, no-context, or duplicate problems are not useful. If you are not trying to generate useful content, don’t go to SO.
It’s no different than people thinking Wikipedia is rude because they don’t differentiate between useful knowledge for a general audience vs unsourced ramblings about a topic.
Just look at all the people getting frustrated at being told “you should probably do it a different way.” They really don’t understand that just because they’re asking the question, it’s not all about them.
Xantar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying it’s not the friendliest way to enthuse beginners to this way of working.
I get it’s frustrating, but when you’re asking your first question ever, it feels like paying for everyone else. xD
uranibaba@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just look at all the people getting frustrated at being told “you should probably do it a different way.” They really don’t understand that just because they’re asking the question, it’s not all about them.
I don’t agree. I remember having a problem (something with PDF and JS if I remember correctly) and I had some restrictions (no I could not do anything about those restrictions). Someone on SO had asked my question with somewhat the same restrictions, which boiled downed to no being able to utilize the most common solution. The first answer on SO was to use the solution that specifically could not be used.
I can see your point and I actually somewhat agree but when the answers are “do X” to the question “how do I do this when I cannot do X?”, the audience should be the minority going there because they have a niece problem, not the majority that are lead there by search engines. And all the “do X” answers should be removed, or moved somewhere they are relevant.
RiQuY@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Now they partner with OpenAI after banning AI answers provided by users? Wow, such hypocrisy meta.stackoverflow.com/…/policy-generative-ai-e-g…
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Now they’re getting paid, so fuck you!
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That exactly tracks. You can’t feed answers from an AI into an AI. It gets all incesty (technical term). So they have to ban user submitted AI answers.
blurg@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yet use AI (possibly) to determine users’ AI answers.
lowleveldata@programming.dev 6 months ago
It gets all incesty (technical term)
I, too, am very technical specific about the porn I watch
OuterRem@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Were they trying to avoid having AI produced output sold as LLM input along with their human user generated content? I wonder if this was some big picture decision or pure coincidence.
lorkano@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Banning AI answers was reasonable though. People were posting were too many not verified and incorrect code snippets that entire quality of the platform would decrease.
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Chatgpt: How do I kill all the children in this thread?
As a AI model I’m not allowed to promote violence against… Also since children are involved this case was reported to your local enforcement agency
Xirup@yiffit.net 6 months ago
Does ChatGPT can really report you in case you say something like this? Is it just a threat or can it really become more?
merc@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Chat GPT generates plausible auto-complete text. If it has been trained on saying “this case was reported to your local law enforcement agency”, those are the kinds of words it might spit out.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Does ChatGPT can
That makes no sense.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Jesus fuck, don’t take Stack away. I rely on it.
MrSoup@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Are you serious? Such a great loss.
Scio@lemmy.world 6 months ago
A match made in hell
superfes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
On the plus side, it can’t get any worse.
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 6 months ago
As an AI language model I’m not able to answer duplicate questions and this was asked before. Goodbye.
Speculater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Banning user for incompetence.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Heh, just you wait
lars@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Yes. And mark my words: as bad as they may seem, these are the good old days.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Always wrong
Aceticon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh, you sweet summer child…
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
lol this is going to be fantastically catastrophic. ChatGPT is going to end up indirectly writing so much code. And I am fully aware how often ChatGPT give you absolute nonsense when asked to write some code. It’s got a decently high hit rate for relatively unchallenging stuff, but it is nowhere NEAR 100% accurate.
TL;DR stackoverflow doesn’t understand how many developers naively copypaste shit from stackoverflow I guess? Wcgw
balder1991@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t think this will affect StackOverflow website though? The blog implies that ChatGPT will use StackOverflow API to use as a knowledge source (and probably be paid for it).
OpenAI and Stack Overflow are coming together via OverflowAPI access to provide OpenAI users and customers with the accurate and vetted data foundation that AI tools need to quickly find a solution to a problem […]. OpenAI will also surface validated technical knowledge from Stack Overflow directly into ChatGPT, giving users easy access to trusted, attributed, accurate, and highly technical knowledge and code backed by the millions of developers that have contributed to the Stack Overflow platform for 15 years.
This seems to be exactly to prevent hallucinations when there’s a good vetted answer already.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 6 months ago
AI will be the downfall of AI
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I’m more worried about Stack ruining gpt than gpt ruining stack.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Me: How would I write a for-loop that starts from the end of a list?
ChatGPT: Closing this conversation as this question has already been answered.
turmacar@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The working solution being 5 child comments deep on a wrong solution flagged as correct is my favorite.
sebinspace@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Stack trying to remain relevant
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oops! All Wrong Answers!
uuhhhhmmmm@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
But all user contributions on StackOverflow licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0… right?
merc@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Attribution — You must give appropriate credit
So, if Stack Overflow generates text based on any answer (or question) in Stack Overflow’s DB, it must credit the person whose text it adapted.
Good luck with that…
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I mean, Bing gives you link references in its answers, maybe something like that?
AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 6 months ago
AI can’t read terms of service.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Why is the OpenAI logo an anus?
OH. Oh right. Sorry. Withdrawn.
moon@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
The snake eating its own tail
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 months ago
More the cow being fed its own brains.
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Makes sense, don’t MS own SO, GH, OAI, and Minecraft?
pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t forget NPM.
And, while we’re at it:
- Bethesda
- Activision
- Blizzard
- Obsidian
- Mojang
- Rare
TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
God, I just can’t wait for my AI generated dirt block pattern.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Cool, I guess I’ll go delete all my stuff…
BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 6 months ago
glad i deleted my acct years ago
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
If you can’t beat 'em, join 'em?
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 6 months ago
the reason I go to stack overflow is the answers arent hallucinated by an AI
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“ChatGPT, how do I use a Java SQL connector?”
“Duplicate question, closed”
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Are we sure this deal is about answering new SO questions with LLM? It’s more likely to be a deal where SO sells access to its database to OpenAI so they can use human-generated content for LLM training, and SO gets to use LLM as a more efficient search through its human-generated content.
It’s possible they could also choose to delegate the duplicate decision to the LLM but let’s be honest, that decision is currently crap anyway.
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 6 months ago
I think the joke is that the AI trained on SO data to the point that duplicate, similar, or common questions would get this treatment. Since that’s common enough on SO to be a meme.
bus_factor@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah, that was my assumption as well. I wonder how they’re going to work around that SO is getting spammed with AI-generated answers, though. You really don’t want your LLM cannibalizing itself.
Speculater@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Okay, but on current hardware/OS the previous solution is no longer valid… Hello?!
Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Have you tried using Windows 11 instead of your weird Linux distro? Windows 11 is the best Operation system in the market, by the greatest software company Microsoft. It features the best user experience, not only removing all those complicated settings from your grasp but providing you with suggestions tailored just for you!