Submitted 6 months ago by nm@veganism.social to technology@lemmy.world
Interesting new data on Lemmy instance federation with Threads, ordered by Active Users descending.
Source: https://fedipact.veganism.social. New data gathered on 2024-04-28.
Why is the color for blocked green? If you’re stopping something it should be red.
because *blocked( is considered good and federated bad…
If you block the road so someone doesn’t drive off the end then you would not use a green sign. I understand the thought process, I just don’t agree with it.
The source is fedipact, the people in favor of blocking. So blocked = good = green You could call that biased, but i think its very reasonable.
Generally green means go and red means no-go, regardless of which is the desired outcome.
the main idea behind the blockade is that Facebook implementing ActivityPub can easily overwhelm any instance small enough in infrastructure through the sheer amount of traffic that such connection would have on the rest of the Fediverse, and with fewer instances it can get easier for the company to take advantage of that to take over the network and make it monopolized again.
Devils advocate, but I feel like we threads was brigaded in advance before actually doing anything shitty.
Yes they’re a terrible company, and yes, it’s a 99.9% certainty that federation with threads will cause an issue. However…
If we are trying to encourage companies in general to use more FOSS and change to FOSS, then we shouldn’t be preemptively punishing them before they even join.
Its going to turn companies off moving to FOSS and frankly it comes across as kind of dickish.
The problem though is when they flip the “enshittify” switch and everyone, even you, then knows they’re the wolf in sheep’s clothing they always were, it’ll be too late, and those of us that don’t want to pay the Zuck tax or have ads shoved in our faces left right and centre is to start over.
But we’re done retreating. They took Fark, they took Digg, they’ve just taken Reddit, and now they want Lemmy. Enough is enough. The line is drawn here and they are NOT crossing it.
If Meta’s other sites were shining examples of the best then you might have a point. The only viable way to prevent Meta killing Lemmy is to nip them in the bud. And yes it seems mean because this is the stage when they’re pretending to be everyone’s best friend and giving us loads of stuff for free. But we know the playbook, we know they’re at step 1, and we know perfectly well that Zuck isn’t sniffing around here out of any kind of altruism but because he’s after more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
What exactly is the concern that they will do to us?
Just because it’s open in another tab, anyone who wants to see what threads does can read this aggressive view on insta, mosseri and other tech industry managers
Existing is shitty. There is no desire to “encourage” Facebook to do anything. Everything they touch is malignant and interacting with them in any way is a dumpster fire.
Quarantining Facebook isn’t to affect their behavior in any way. It’s because the mere fact that an instance connects to Facebook makes them toxic.
Well isn’t that what FOSS provides for us thought? The ability to control everything the software does and we own the content being shown. If we choose to block that content then that’s our right, if threads chooses to allow everything under the sun there’s nothing we can do about it but wait for Facebook to do it for us.
If you’re curious, here are the numbers added up for all instances with +10 users:
blocked
federated
What does the Fedipact mean?
Basically just the same as just defederating but you also sign a little thing promising you’ll never refederate with threads
Mastadon.art admin takes no shit
People wanted the Fediverse to get more popular. So more popular it gets, more big companies and an like will join the Fediverse. So mission accomplished, everyone. 🎉
Threads is only the beginning.
What you should really take away from these numbers is that lemmy.world should close their registrations. If they dont, they should be seen as a bad actor trying to take majority control of the lemmyverse.
I think that’s just the Tyranny of the Default at work
So you would like a place that preaches choice to deny choice?
Lol
The paradox of tolerance applied to this situation suggests that in order to keep a community where choice is preserved, we need to be intolerant of bad actors with the ultimate goal of killing that choice.
Meta absolutely is a bad actor looking to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse.
They’re pivoting the overwhelming userbase of Facebook/Instagram into a sort of federated Twitter alternative that their users as a whole don’t understand but do generate content for, in an attempt to steer the federation architecture into something they can control and make money off of. It’s not subtle.
Whether it will work or is even possible for meta to do remains to be seen.
But, yes. To answer your question, we need to “deny the choice” of federating with what amounts to a wolf in sheep’s clothing to preserve what we have, because that wolf is looking to destroy it.
This post demonstrates that all of the major instances on lemmy but one understand this concept.
People can choose what they want, but i want server admins to be aware of the possible negative impacts their own dominance might have.
Any one server should not have an interest in having many users, because there is no commercial benefit. If a server doesnt do anything against becoming a monopoly it either wants to have the ultimate power to moderate peoples speech or has hidden profit motives like selling their userbase or running advertisements.
the image doesn’t match at all with the actual website even though the individual entries in the picture are accurate.
the entire list is mixed half-and-half across the board, with slight bias to Federated status. still a long way to go.
I think that’s because it’s filtered to Lemmy software, and sorted from largest to smallest. Once you do that, it looks similar
i see now. thank you
@nm
Not sure users are aware of the dangers.....
@technology
One of the main reasons I run my own instances (Mastodon and Lemmy). Keep the garbage blocked and out of sight.
I don’t want to say “I told you so”, but I told you so.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Have the admins of lemmy.world ever given a reason for this decision?
I would very much like to see Meta kneecapped in the Fediverse. They are a blight on the world that needs to be dealt with.
otter@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
For what it’s worth, it doesn’t realistically change much since Lemmy (software) doesn’t federate with Threads in any meaningful way. The benefits are there, my understanding is that it’s mostly symbolic. This is also why you might see a lot of Mastodon instances staying federated with Threads, because there are tangible benefits and drawbacks to that decision.
As for WHY an instance is staying Federated, see some discussion from this other thread here: lemmy.ca/post/11771031
It’s not as simple as “that instance is a traitor”, and attacking other users/admins over this without considering the nuance is silly.
Zak@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes. This post gives their thoughts around the time Threads started talking about federation and it’s pretty much “let’s wait and see if this results in problems”. They note a high probability of problems leading to defederation if a significant number of Threads users start posting to Lemmy communities.
I am happy with this approach. I want my Lemmy server to federate with every compatible server unless and until that server becomes a source of problems. I do not want it to preemptively or transitively[1] block anything. The great thing about federated systems is that people who are not happy with that approach can join a different server with policies that better match their preferences.
[1] A transitive block is blocking a server because it doesn’t block a third server.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Thanks for posting that. I think I even read through it when it was posted as it seems awfully familiar. I was wondering if the issue had been more recently revisited though.
It does kinda bother me that lemmy.world admins don’t just flat out say “screw Meta”, but it’s their choice.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
If they actually gave a shit about their users, they would defederate instances that cause problems and break their ToS. In reality, the admins are just going by the Reddit playbook of “don’t do anything until it makes us look bad.”
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Admins are unpaid hobbyists like you and me, they don’t think that far
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I think the issue is in the beginning everyone wanted to federate with world.
So a new instance would get created, and before a so gle post was made, they’d federate with world.
So now a shit ton of zombie instances are federated. Like, the same trolls will make 5-10 accounts a day on a zombie server to post on world. Even if world reaches out to the zombie admin and gets a response, there’s a bunch more for the troll to use.
World admins need to prune their federations. If an instance only has 100 users and most aren’t active, it only helps trolls.
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Because they’re traitors.
LemmyBe@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not sure if this has anything to do with it, or even if it’s real, but this post is still interesting:
lemmy.eus/comment/243647
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yikes! That’s not great, if true, but it seems like no evidence was provided.
I wouldn’t want to be in the business of refuting baseless allegations hurled at me either, so I don’t regard their silence as incriminating.
At the same time, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire so I’ll be paying more attention now. I would hate to have to leave the instance after all the time I’ve spent here, but if any evidence pops up showing that lemmy.world wants to play nice with Meta then that’s what I’ll have to do.