I have some first hand experience with this. Brand new XMPP server, never before seen by anyone in the world, blocked within about 12 hours. Wireguard VPN on AWS lasts for a few hours on some networks, more on others. Never longer than a few days though.
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Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Chinese Great Firewall (GFW) has already been using machine learning to detect “illegal” traffics. The arms race is moving towards the Cyberpunk world where AIs are battling against an AI firewall.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
From China?
Dempf@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I was there in 2017 or 2018 and set up a Shadowsocks server before I went with whatever the latest mitigations were that I could find at the time. My server wasn’t completely blocked, but ended up getting throttled to hell after a few days.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Careful criticizing China you will awake the Tankies.
No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Drums, drums in the deep …
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oce@jlai.lu 1 month ago
You can conviniently block a whole instance from your account now, it reduces this kind of disagreement a lot.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Should you though?
I get it, it’s annoying, but the entire “let’s block people with opinions I don’t like” is probably the single source of pillerization and increased extremism on the internet.
If I’m not allowed to have a discussion or disagreement with you, and get kicked out instead, I’ll just go to places where they will talk with me and where it’s chock full of other idiots like me who are much more extreme and in our safety bubble we can all continue not beat the same dead horse and circle jerk and make eachother more extreme because there are no dissenting voices, there are no voices or reason and calm, there are no cooler heads around.
This entire moderation where we simply started dumping people with who we disagree has made the world a.much, much worse place.
Granted, it sucks to have to deal with crazies and extremists, but at least whilst they’re in the group we can all keep them grounded in reality.
oce@jlai.lu 1 month ago
I actually tried to, and if it was possible to have rational and polite discussion, without straw man arguments, dog pilling, personal attacks and finally threats of violence, I would have continued to try. But sadly all of this happen, multiple times.
At some points I considered leaving Lemmy, thinking that this federation as a whole was not safe for debating. But then I started understanding patterns, either it was from the users from a specific instance, or it was communities from a specific instance that turned like that. Overall the pattern seem to be that if the instance mentions extreme political ideologies in its description or if the profiles of its admins do, then debating is not possible.
If they want to stay connected to people to avoid the circle jerk, they have to work on themselves too (ex: learning to debate politely), you can’t except us to absorb all the damages to help them avoid radicalization.
I do enjoy debating and questioning my own beliefs, but I am not on Lemmy to consume my mental health, so I need to take some actions to protect it.
Kedly@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’m not on the internet or lemmy to make the world a better place, I’m on here to kill time/enjoy myself/learn some things. I dont have the mental space to deal extremists, and particularly extremists that have a world view thats incompatible with itself if taken at face value, and I certainly dont have anything valid that I can learn from tankies, and as such, my block list has gotten quite large, and my general mood has increased because of it
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 month ago
This operates under the assumption that there are good decent people on every instance, but instances like Hexbear and Lemmy.ml are inherently corrupt and run by people who want to sow misinformation and chaos to negatively impact western powers. I’m not saying the whole thing is a Chinese operation, but if it were then it would be run exactly the same way it is now.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I “blocked” hexbear, because a mod didn’t take the time to use their brain, labeled me a “pedophile apologist” and banned me from the entire instance. If they moderate based on “I don’t care what actually happened, I’m mad” then I’m not going to bother interacting with them.
Cavemanfreak@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I was planning to, but ultimately didn’t. I have handed out personal blocks to obvious trolls and a brunch of hexbear users that spammed gifs in every single thread though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Yeah, I don’t block instances, just individuals that have proven to not act in good faith. I try to expose myself to as many diverse opinions as possible, but know if the people holding those opinions can back it up with facts, or are at least willing to consider the possibility that they’re wrong, and I try my best to do the same.
Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Being able to block what you want is great, having other people decide what to block for you is not.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because engaging in discussion with certain groups, does nothing but legitimize and amplify their messages of hatred and bigotry you fucking genius.
You don’t engage in polite discussion with people that want you dead, that want to seize power and implement fascist authoritarianism, and who want to purge the “impure”.
How you deal with it is by aggressively reacting to and putting down their bullshit, and denying them platforms which to spread their messages and hatred.
People like you, who want to wring your hands and play nice and polite with nazis their ilk, are doing nothing but pushing their agenda for them. People like you are nothing but collaborators, and people like you will end up on the wrong side of the stick alongside everyone else once you’ve outlived your usefulness.
bitwaba@lemmy.world 1 month ago
blocked
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I don’t think a lot of them are actually people, but rather LLMs. Also, does it count as “people with opinions” when it’s shills paid to spread authoritarian propaganda?
I do agree we should limit personal blocking, but that’s because we need to collectively manage the Fediverse. There’s no budget for countering misinformation campaigns, just us.
Instances blocking propaganda instances, on the other hand, is fantastic. It’s what we need for the Fediverse to survive instead of going the way of Voat and other extremist communities.
spraynpray@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Instance blocking is dependent on client implementation, as it isn’t provided by lemmy itself.
oce@jlai.lu 1 month ago
I think you are correct, but not having the opportunity to participate in a thread on those instances because you can’t see them anymore is part of the ways to avoid troubles.
overcast5348@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Okay, which instances should I block to get rid of the tankies?
oce@jlai.lu 1 month ago
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are the most obvious ones, sadly lemmy.ml is also part of them in my experience despite being not being obvious about it (you have to check the admins and mods profile to see the link) and having some good content when it’s not about politics. There may also be some defederated by my home instance admins that I may not be aware of.
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and Hexbear.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
One day those tankies people here keep talking about are going to show up.
One day.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
After I blocked hexbear and similar instances I haven’t scene them which is nice. Occasionally I’ll see a Lemmy world one but that is pretty rare.
jaybone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’d say they are more common on Lemmy.ml than Lemmy.world
jaybone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think our instance defederated with hexbear.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
HI WINNIE POOH! How have you been, have you had your daily dose of honey yet?