I look at it as Actual price = menu price + lowest suggested tip + $5 tip awkwardness penalty. So a place near me has a $12 lunch-size sub sandwich that’s really good. But they ask for a 15% tip. So rather than just never eat at my favorite sandwich spot, I regard it as a $18.80 lunch and only buy it on rare occasions or when my company is paying.
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JCreazy@midwest.social 8 months ago
I just stopped going to places or using services that expect me to tip. I hate the idea of tipping.
rsuri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
You’re tipping at a sandwich shop? Do they even bring you the sandwich and fill your drink for you?
PeroBasta@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You tip a fastfood?
ohlaph@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If I’m getting it to go, no tip. Or just the tip.
SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Same. I multiply any restaurant price by 4/3 to account for taxes, fees, and tips when determining if I want to go.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Taxes and fees should included in the price, in civilised countries anyway. That sounds like such a pain.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
They are included in the price in civilized countries. It is only a very very limited number of places where you can’t hand a cashier $5 to pay for something literally labelled $5 and then walk out.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 8 months ago
I hate American math
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Thanks for subsidizing my $12 sandwiches I guess lol. That sure helps me out! Don’t think it helps the servers much in the long run though.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Going anyway and just not tipping is also a completely acceptable and legally protected option. Sort of like saying ‘no thank you’ to the grocery store check out person asking for charity donations or if you would like to sign up for the store credit card.
Again, it’s optional. So people can also say ‘yes’ if they want and that’s cool too I guess. Although tipping is inherently harmful to the server’s baseline wage which is a bit problematic, if people want to tip they can and no one is stopping them. And I won’t give them shit about it unless they specifically inquire about it. Since the whole thing is ‘optional’ after all I let them make their own decisions and if tipping gives them a nice release of serotonin or dopamine or something that makes them feel better, who am I to take that from them.
fathog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Just don’t eat out if you don’t want to tip. Tipping culture is fucked but servers are just as victimized as customers.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
No thank you.
KevonLooney@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Going anyway and just not tipping is also a completely acceptable and legally protected option.
It’s legal, but not tipping at a restaurant is cheap. It’s also legal for them to ban you from the restaurant, which will probably happen if you give them a diatribe against tipping.
PatMustard@feddit.uk 8 months ago
not tipping at a restaurant is cheap
If you actually believe this then they’ve already got to you. This is Stockholm Syndrome, or the Sunk Cost Fallacy, or good old peer pressure.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
While they could definitely ban me and I’d have no problem with that at all, they won’t… because the owners have no incentive to ban me. They make the exact same amount from me whether I tip or not.
I guess if someone went on a big rant that disturbed other customers and caused a loss of sales they may ban them. But otherwise, just quietly playing your bill and leaving, no…not getting banned lol.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
This is a valid choice. What isn’t valid is still going out to restaurants, having a gay ol time, and then refusing to tip your server on principle while the owner did nothing and made a killing.
JCreazy@midwest.social 8 months ago
I’m not really a big fan of this rhetoric. People should be able to go to a restaurant and eat without being expected to pay more than what their food costs. They shouldn’t be shamed for not wanting to tip. This becomes an issue of personal morality which is why I just don’t eat out, but I don’t think it’s anyone else’s business except for the person spending the money since it is their money after all. It’s not a customer’s responsibility to make up the pay of a business’s employee. PERIOD. Basically what I’m saying is I don’t go places that expect me to tip but I 100% support people’s decisions to go to restaurants and not tip.
CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Its their right to be a shitty person so you support it?
Damn son. Its one thing to accept a shitty person is shitty, but its a whole other matter to support that shitty person and tell them they should keep doing what theyre doing.
That server is making $2.13 per hour if theyre American. Non-tippers are robbing that server of another table who would actually pay for their service and allow that server to eat and have a place to stay.
Yes, its part of the game. No, I dont like tip culture. Yes, shitty people dont tip. No, I will never condone the idea of stiffing a server who lives off of tips.
JCreazy@midwest.social 8 months ago
I find it interesting how you’re putting the blame on the customer and not the employer. You have no problem calling someone a shitty person for not tipping but you’re okay with the practice of a business paying $2.13 an hour to their employees. It should never be the customer’s responsibility to make sure that the employees of a restaurant are paid enough. Your attitude shows how brainwashed people are into defending these restaurants by putting the blame on customers.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Serving is a low skill, job outside of fine dining. You remember a couple pages worth of menu and you write down what people want and you fill their drinks. It’s not high skilled. It’s hard physically hard. A 16 year old can do it well after a week or two of training. Getting $150 in tips for a 6 hour shift and then only reporting half of it on your taxes is a showcase in how stupid it is to tip so much for it.
You’re talking about “oh, poor server that makes $2.13 an hour” but why do you think servers as a whole are vehemently against removing tips and going to a normal pay? They no what skill lever their job falls at. They know if they were being paid hourly with no tips they’d be getting paid around the same as fast station clerks, retail workers, and grocers. Making in the ball park of $16/hr (obviously varies by area) and they would actually hate to be making that.
Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Cook at home, we don’t want you there, anyways.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 8 months ago
Order take-out, all the food, none of the worries
Rakonat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Thats the funny part, they still want tips on everything they sell. Tipping just needs to be stamped out and employers made to pay living wages.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
But that’s socialism. /s
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The debit machine is automatically programmed to ask for a tip. Your server or take out bagger didn’t program the debit machine. No one has a gun to your head saying you have to tip on takeout. Servers generally aren’t required to tip out on takeout orders.
PatMustard@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Doesn’t your employer pay your wage?
Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Alot of states in the US have like the opposite of pro rated minimum wage where they actually are paid less than minimum wage because they earn tips.
So like a waitress earns $2.75/hour as opposed to $10/hour because she might make that up in tips within the hour. That’s the thought anyways.
PatMustard@feddit.uk 8 months ago
So what happens if they don’t make any tips? Surely they still need to make the legal minimum wage?
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
No. They pay starvation wages. Server wages in the states is like $2.65/hr. “Well if they hate it just quit!” What person in the US could do the intense labor of serving tables and still survive on that little?
PatMustard@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Do you not have a minimum wage?