Huh? There are a ton of small EVs that are much cheaper than that. The Nissan Leaf, for example.
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frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
Maybe roll out some models people can afford? It’s all SUVs that start around $45k, but they built only a few of those base models. The ones actually available are premium trims that go for $65k and might peak around $100k. They were able to sell out for 6 months, and then that market was saturated. Now they stand around asking why nobody buys their cars.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 months ago
FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think a lot of dealerships in the US won’t have Nissan Leafs since they are too cheap and therefore, the profit margin is thinner.
If they had space for 500 cars that they want to sell over a few months, and they were all going to be EVs, they’d want all 500 spaces to be Audi e-trons, Mercedes EQS’ and Cadillac Lyrics, because those cars are worth more. Thing is now, people don’t want to pay that much for an electric if they are on the fence about trusting the tech or getting used to charging etc. So there’s a sales slump. Dealers are sitting on a ton of mid to high end and are looking to blame anyone but themselves for the slowdown in sales.
Just my thoughts on the situation anyway.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Car dealer: stocks only very expensive cars
Customers:
Car dealer: shocked Pikachu
ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Might also be the very American perception that you’re a bitch if you drive anything smaller than a battle tank.
So dealers don’t want to stock anything but Ford F150s
isles@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So the dealers tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas. Save us, government!
Virulent@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Nissan leaf, Chevy bolt (which won’t be sold next year) and…??? Everything else is at least 35k starting.
Nollij@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
The Bolt has an odd marketing approach behind it. While it may be true that the Bolt will technically be discontinued, there will be its direct successor (built on the Ultium platform)
Also, as a practical matter, you can cut $7500 off the price of any new EV in the US because of the tax incentive.
There is a very real reason why certain classes of cars are EV and not others- you have to be able to charge at home/work to have a good experience. That normally means having a garage, often in a single family house. Apartment dwellers need not apply. Unfortunately, these are also the ones that buy compact cars, meaning there isn’t much of a market. The suburbanites that are eligible to charge at home mostly buy SUVs and more expensive sedans.
Metatronz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As I understand it, the $7.5k isn’t any EV, but EVs that were assembled/built primarily in the US. Many weren’t compliant with that legislation. Not out of spite or anything, but because manufacturing wasn’t quite ready to comply. That led to a number of vehicles sitting ineligible for the 7.5k break. As well as consumer confusion over which ones could be discounted. Overall, a transitional growing pain for a crappy industry that relies on monthly sales.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
A lot of trucks and SUVs these days are so big they don't even fit in garages.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Renault Zoe is an other. Was 30k like 5-6 years ago
Cars you won’t see on the US market of course.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
I got ahold of a British car magazine about 20 years ago and was really sad to see all of the awesome small cars and trucks we don't get because Americans are dumb.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Nissan Leaf is 41k MSRP in Canada, I’ve never paid over 14k for a vehicle. Willing to go in to 20s for an EV because of the gas savings though.
I had saved for an EV for my last vehicle purchase but then the pandemic hit and I started working from home, was driving very little, and I instead used that money to improve the efficiency of my home and upgrade the furnace to heat pump, replace some windows, etc. The amount of ghg’s offset just from not using propane to heat my home vastly outweighs the amount I’d offset with an electric vehicle. I think people need to think about what makes sense for them, an EV is a luxury purchase, but if you’re lucky enough to own a home then there may be better uses for that money.
So instead of a nice 50k EV I bought a Fit off someone for 8k, then I bought a $900 shitbox Fit for parts. Costs $70/mo in insurance and I put about the same in gas per month. I will likely improve my home’s efficiency further if driving habits remain infrequent rather than buy a product like a car.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Comparing the price of a new EV to a thoroughly used ICE car isn’t very meaningful.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Maybe not to you but that amount of money is a lot to me, and how I spend it to strategically offset my own ghg emissions is something within my power. Like I said I spent it on offsetting my propane use instead of a vehicle purchase, not only do I save money every day because of that but it had a much bigger impact on my ghg emissions. If a new EV is 60k and you barely drive, yet every day you’re heating your home with ghg emitting fuel, that difference in price is meaningful insofar as there are tonnes of co2 that aren’t in the atmosphere.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It is when an equivalent used EV is nowhere near the same price, and often comes with a battery replacement bill attached and very limited range as well.
ICE vehicles depreciate in value and to some extent in efficiency, but nowhere near the rate of second hand EVs.
I was looking at leafs in the 8k range years ago (when money was worth more) and the one I found had like less than 100 miles of range per charge.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Wtf car are you buying for 14k? 14k Canadian no less. Did you last buy a car in 1993? Or are you talking about used cars, which isn’t what this conversation is about.
banneryear1868@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Obviously used, only way I’d ever justify buying a new car is if it was an EV under 30k. The “conversation is about” whatever I personally find is relevant to the topic so deal with it.
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Obviously used. I bought a 2 year old Honda civic in 2019 for 18k. Like OP, I’d be willing to go into the high 20’s, hell I’d even do low 30’s for a sensible EV.
I am not interested in a 60k SUV or a 100k pickup EV. Who the fuck is the target market for those EV Ford pickup trucks.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
I’m holding out for a proper hot hatch. Something like a VW Golf or Mazda3. Leaf is a bit too small.
skyspydude1@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The i3s is a fun as hell hot hatch. I absolutely adore mine, and can’t imagine ever selling it. It’s much larger on the inside than you’d think, and I move a ton of shit with it regularly.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
The i3 is about the closest I can imagine, but the tires look like bicycle wheels so I don't imagine it does hot hatch things very well. But I'm willing to be convinced.
mortalic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Didn’t Hyundai announce the Ioniq5 N edition? It’s more like a 600hp thing though, not a 200hp golf kinda thing. More race car than hot hatch.
CCatMan@lemmy.one 9 months ago
I was hoping Volvo would make something like this, but I don’t know what they are doing now and realized they costs way too much …
Aux@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Volvo acquired Polestar and they have some good EVs, but nothing small or cheap yet. Small, cheap and funky - that’s what Fiat is doing right now.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Oh man I would love an affordable Honda e in North America. I’ve seen them in Europe. What a nice little car.
Aux@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Move to Europe! And get free medicine as a bonus.
cyborganism@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I live in Canada. I already have free healthcare. Though not as good as in Europe ngl.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 9 months ago
As an American I wish I could
JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Also maybe don’t make me buy a car through a dealership. Why can’t I just order and car and it gets delivered to my house instead of making me pick it up from a dealer that gets to charge whatever they want for being a middle man on top of the cars already being too expensive.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
Laws have to change for direct sales of cars, mostly at the state level. Dealership owners also happen to be big donors to state elected officials.
IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Asafum@feddit.nl 9 months ago
And the typical response of “JuSt Be YoUr OwN LoBbYiSt!”
There are over 300 million pissed off people in this country, you think my dumb ass is somehow going to organize better than literally anyone else?
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 months ago
Most states with sales taxes include auto sales, so it's also that they bring in a ton of government revenue.
loudambiance@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I’m not so sure about that. Interstate trade is the sole domain of the federal government technically. If you are in Tennessee buying from a manufacturer in Detroit, I would think that federal laws would override state laws. Realistically, I’m not so sure how that works okay out.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
It’s been this way for decades without a serious challenge. Tesla has tried and largely failed to fight this (whatever else you might say about Tesla).
Aux@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Dealerships in the US are a cartel backed by the government. Multiple states have laws banning direct sales - …m.wikipedia.org/…/Tesla_US_dealership_disputes
LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I would like an electric car next, but I live in an apartment where I couldn’t charge it.
ConsumptionOne@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Talk to your landlord about adding the infrastructure. It’s trivial for them to add 50 AMP rv-style outlets to one side of the lot, and you can then plug in your own mobile charger.
nutsack@lemmy.world 9 months ago
landlords of apartment buildings don’t like doing things like this or any other type of thing