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• Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They turned Gaza into a concentration camp.

  As Jews, they should absolutely know better.

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  • S_204@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There are amusement parks, beach resorts and night clubs… there’s a few travel vlogs showing what life was like before the attack on 10/7. I was quite surprised to see what was available there after the years of media.

    Not saying it was the coastal beauty it could have been, but they had amenities that you didn’t exactly find at Auschwitz or Bergen…

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    • Phanlix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You’re talking about Gaza or Tel Aviv? I’ve been to Gaza man, 95% of them didn’t have clean water in 2014 and that number didn’t change up until today. Gaza itself was a hellhole.

      The resorts and stuff you see are on Jewish territory. They’ve destroyed anything nice Palestinians have.

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    • mwguy@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      In the 20s Gaza was a tourist destination.

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  • blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

    70.auschwitz.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp…

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    • khalic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Getting downvoted for linking to facts, you have my sympathy my friend…

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• HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  In a context where we have the lies about the hospitals having tunnels under them, that 40 non-existent babies were beheaded and where some key facts about Oct 7 have somewhat unravelled, how far would you even bother policing the words of people wishing for a liberated Palestinian?

  The Israelis and their supporters are also notorious liars and frequently try to claim that Muslims or brown people were responsible for the Holocaust in Europe.

  They’ve bombed civilians before and the intelligence they send tend to be garbage according to EU after they looked through the reams of documents the Israelis sent them. As an occupier, Israel behaves like a country at war all the time, they lie, kill and cheat perpetually.

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  • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    themedialine.org/…/holocaust-denial-still-common-…

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ll verify that my Arabic family are wildly antisemitic. They don’t denigrate Jewish individuals, mock their appearance, call them filth or anything in that vein. But they’re not just anti-Zionists either. They believe Jews control the world through a shadow network of conspirators. And when you believe that, it fits right in that they must have manufactured a Holocaust to win sympathy.

      I think it all stems from anti-Zionism, though. They see a tiny country holding out against the entire Arab world, with the backing of powerful westerners, and their explanation is that the Israelis must have America and the EU dancing on puppet strings. I don’t believe that, though I do find the American military support for Israel totally sus and wrong.

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      • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Jews were in high positions in the Arab world and iirc lived well. Much of the blame for the rise in anti-semitism is almost purely down to Zionism. Jews came to be seen as colonial collaboraters with the great powers against that region. In Algeria they literally were - the French were able to create a two-tier colonial society by giving Jewish Algerians who were native to Algeria citizenship and denying Muslims the same by claiming cultural incompatibility. Hence, Jews became a colonial force in that country.

        In Iraq, Zionists terrorised the Arab Jewish community there by bombing Synagogues and cultural centers and collaborated with Iraqi nationalists to force Iraqi Jews into leaving for Israel.

        So there are different experiences here, but almost all is down to colonialism and zionism.

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      • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Imagine you walked into the camps and saw the smattering of walking skeletons that were left from the multiple thousands of people who had preceded them into the gas chambers or ovens.

        I think it’s hard to really imagine what level of trauma that would cause, and how shocking it would be to see those images.

        I think that is the foundation of a powerful bond between the West and Israel, and it’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

        I find it extremely troubling that Netanyahu and his cronies have said that the only solution to the issues they are having is to exterminate all Palestinians (assuming that quote is accurate) and I do think that their actions are horrifying and deserve criticism, but that’s the government. I have no issue with the people of Israel. I believe that in part these actions are Bibi covering his own ass for not stopping nor even anticipating a massive attack from a known enemy. I understand his desire to root out Hamas, but there has to be a way to do so with more accuracy and less civilian misery and death.

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    • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He has said Hitler didn’t intend to destroy Jews until a Muslim told him to.

      His son posts Nazi memes on Facebook (featuring Greenwald).

      He is also suspiciously happy that his son married a white Scandinavian woman.

      He made racist jokes about north african jews in their military and said only white jewish officers can lead them.

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• kmaismith@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The problem is their behavior and rhetoric towards Palestine resembles a sentiment shared by the OG Nazis

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  • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A craven terrorist attack caused a military response that has claimed 11,000 lives to date, with a substantial proportion of those lives being women and children, is a horrible thing. Hamas and the Israeli government can both go fuck themselves for the misery they have caused.

    That said, AFAIK nobody is sending Israeli troops in to round up Palestinians and systematically incinerate them until all Palestinians are dead.

    6,000,000 Jews suffered that fate.

    The bombing of Dresden took 25,000 German lives. Nobody called that an attempted genocide.

    Perspective is important.

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  • Pipoca@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem is when you mention Nazis to Jews, the first things they’ll think of are Zyklon B, Babi Yar, the piles of children’s shoes at Auschwitz, Mengele, that sort of thing.

    And while what’s going on in Israel is terrible, it’s not Mengele terrible, Babi Yar terrible, or Treblinka terrible. So they write you off as just another antisemite, rather than listening to your point.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And yet that was only the very end. The stuff that came before that might as well be a mirror to the way Israel is treating the Palestinians.

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      • Pipoca@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, not really. Nazi Germany lasted from 1933-1945.

        From 1933 to 1939, things were mostly non-lethal: boycotting and vandalizing shops, banning Jews from public service or practicing law, harassing Jews, etc. The basic idea was to get Jews to emigrate out of Germany.

        The first open ghettos were established in 1939, while the massacres really started in 1941.

        If you’re going to compare Gaza to part of Nazi Germany, the best comparison is to the closed ghettos that were established in 1940, like the Warsaw ghetto.

        Nazi Germany really isn’t a great historical comparison to Israel. Honestly, a better comparison is to the US’s treatment of Native Americans, though it’s still not a perfect analogy. The dream of Israel’s far right isn’t to murder every last Palestinian, it’s manifest destiny; an Israel stretching from the ocean to the sea even if there’s a few small reservations on it.

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  • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When the Israelis impose a system of racial domination on Palestinians that is objectively worse than Apartheid, I’d say you needn’t bother handwringing about Israelis getting their feelings hurt. Fascists is always an alternative though - they’re politicians have used it themselves.

    Netanyahu himself has made racist jokes favouring white Jews over the north african immigrants, so while ‘white supremacist’ also works at that point, you’re back to just saying ‘Nazi’.

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why is it worse rhan apartheid?

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      • HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Because Jews don’t need Palestinians like White South Africans needed Black people for low wage jobs. So they can genocide them without a thought.

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• dx1@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The comparisons to the Nazis are actually inescapable. I struggle to think of a centrally orchestrated and mechanized system of apartheid/oppression and now genocide that’s more similar.

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  • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The Israelis have set up a systematic means of rounding up and murdering people until their entire race is removed from existence?

    I hadn’t heard.

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    • Phanlix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …you mean at the military checkpoints where Palestinians routinely disappear? How about the fact that Israel conducts human medical experiments on prisoners. Or the systematic rape of Palestinian women. How about the systematic attacks on Palestinian infrastructure that leaves 95% of Gaza without access to clean water. And that was before this current mess.

      Grow the duck up and open your eyes. Israelis are straight up evil.

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      • OrteilGenou@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The Israeli government is straight up evil, maybe.

        The Israeli people have been targets of precise statements from multiple neighbors over the years telling them they would be exterminated as soon as the opportunity arose.

        Put yourself in that position and tell me you wouldn’t support a right wing militant government that ran on a platform of hard borders and strong military.

        How many wars of aggression have been waged against Israel since its founding? How many terrorist attacks? If the nations surrounding them put down their weapons and accepted them, there would be peace in the region. If the Israelis put down their weapons they would be murdered en masse.

        How would you like a populace that came within a hair’s breadth of systematic extermination to react when they move to an area and are immediately painted as liars by neighbors who are Holocaust deniers and express the desire to finish the job?

        Also if your argument is strong enough there’s no need to add that last part. It makes you seem weak and devalues any merit in your words, if which there is plenty. Nobody wants to see people getting hurt, but to fail to differentiate between the Israeli government and the Israeli people, and to ignore the situation they are in and the precursor to the establishment of the state of Israel, is a mistake.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Godwin’s Law was repealed in 2016.

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    • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Godwin’s Law” only said that the comparison to Nazis becomes inescapable the longer a conversation goes (not the common interpretation “whoever says Nazi first loses”). If I remember right he actually went back later and said it’s perfectly fine to draw the Nazi analogy to fascist states.

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• ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The Nazis forced Jews into ghettos. Gaza is a ghetto that Palestinians are forced to live in.

  Zionists will not however, directly kill every Palestinian. They will indirectly try to kill every Palestinian by colonizing every last inch of land from the Palestinians. The ones that immigrate away will be too scattered to maintain a coherent ethnicity, and eventually their culture will be erased.

  So, while practically speaking they’re not as bad as Nazis, they are as effective as Nazis, if not more so.

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