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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Mamertine@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.

  I think that’s just a Southern thing. Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.

  They were prejudice, but it was more of a I’ve never seen anyone with that color skin and it’s different so I’m uncomfortable.

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  • explodicle@local106.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I had a very similar experience, didn’t think my family was racist at all until I got engaged. Northerners just hide it.

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    • Sharkwellington@lemmy.one ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Northerners just don’t engage if it’s not in their backyard. It’s a lot easier since there is a lower density of POC.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh wow…

    Yeah if they never told their grandkids they were huge pieces of shit, they most not have been. That absolutely proves they were part of the 1% of that generation actually on the right side of history.

    It’s not like as a generation they’ve spent 60 years lying about what they were like back then…

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    • GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The thing about racist relatives is that they DO SPOUT THAT SHIT AT HOME. Where do you think kids hear it first?

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  • Daisyifyoudo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    100%. Grew up in the Northeast, never experienced true racism in my family until I met my Arkansas relatives.

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  • BeautifulMind@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Living in the North, my grandparents never discussed beating the shit out of civil rights protesters. Nor did they spout overtly racist things.

    TBH when I hear someone say that about their parents (they didn’t say racist shit out loud) I take that to mean: they didn’t say that sort of stuff out loud.

    I just think about that as a sort of Schrodinger’s Racism- there’s an unknown distribution of super-shitty racists out there in Yankeedom too, but they’re neither racist nor non-racist until they open their mouths about it in un-coded ways. That it’s more covert there than it is in other places doesn’t really tell us if it’s more or less prevalent, it could just be telling us that in Yankeedom the racists feel ever-so-slightly more inhibited about being out loud about it.

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• Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is a good chance that exposure to more and more lead over time was what caused their generation to become more that way over time. They just assumed it was normal progression because it was happening to almost everyone. Not realizing there was something that could artificially cause that progression.

  The kinds of changes in the brain caused by lead exposure do seem to line up with changes that would cause that behaviour. And even the people who stood to benefit financially from leaded gasoline decided it was a bad idea, so their own internal data must have been pretty damning to convince them to make less money.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh for sure, lead was 100% a factor.

    We can “out think” implicit racism with critical thinking, but we lose that critical thinking ability as a normal part of aging.

    Lead exposure fucks with critical thinking too, which compounds with aging.

    The good part of that is implicit racism can be offset by just seeing people of other races, even if it’s only on TV. So just watching Family Matters or Sesame St is enough to prevent in groups from forming along racial lines.

    So generations that came up watching Urkel are less likely to “become racist” as they age.

    Which makes states like Alabama banning Sesame St because it was racially integrated even more nefarious and explains why those states still have higher rates of racism.

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  • time_lord@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It makes you wonder if the trans movement is partially due to micro plastics.

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    • Wolf_359@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ll assume you meant that in good faith.

      If being trans is caused by microplastics, alright. They’re still not hurting anyone. If there is an environmental culprit, then hopefully conservatives would finally acknowledge that there is a biological process at work and it’s not a choice made by deviants or whatever.

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      • Shiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Enby transfemme chiming in real quick:

        1. I highly doubt they meant that in good faith
        2. I also wouldn’t be shocked one way or another

        I am not a biologist by any stretch of the imagination, but I have definitely read that there is an impact on sex hormone production from microplastics, and that our generation’s sex hormone production has changed (Decreased? I think?) without a solidly defined cause.

        I also know that I’m basically sipping on a liquified styrofoam cup every time I drink my tap water.

        That said, fuck, if microplastics were the only thing it took to make someone trans, I would be saving a lot on laser hair removal, doctors’ appointments, and E.

        Not to mention saving time and misery on voice training.

        So if microplastics are turning the friggin frogs gay and turning people trans, that doesn’t make trans people any less valid. If someone has PTSD because of foreign stimulous (a traumatic event) impacting their psyche, that doesn’t mean their PTSD doesn’t count.

        If my ‘transness’ is somehow related to microplastics, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t count.

        I know that you’re in agreement with me, definitely not directed at you. It’s just an interesting line of discussion, and you seem more interesting to have that conversation with than the person who just blanket blamed transgenderism on microplastics while providing zero context and comparing it to boomer lead poisoning.

        When all is said and done, I’d rather be microplastic trans than a lead-induced bigot/mouthbreather.

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• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are so many quotes that I’ve seen, about how young people are more liberal, and as you get older, people tend to get more conservative.

  … I’m an “elder” millennial… like, so early on in the millennial generation that I barely count as a millennial, myself and all my same-aged friends have pretty much been very liberal from a young age and I can confidently say, none of us have changed in this regard, despite all of us reaching 40.

  All the shit they say about getting older and changing your mind might be true for some, but on the whole, it’s little more than someone flapping their jaw and making sounds. No basis in reality.

  To give an easy example, all of my friends who are similarly aged, who attended college, have long since paid off any student loans we took out for college, even me, who did two diplomas (more than most) and had a difficult time getting into my field and earning a fair wage. Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system, and paid everything off ourselves? Why should they suffer like we did?

  More than a few don’t even have children, so it’s not like their kids are going to see a benefit from it. Yet, we support it. Because that’s what we believe in.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ask any of us about student loan forgiveness and we’re all supportive. Why punish a whole new generation of people just because we had to go through the terrible and broken system

    But this is what loan forgiveness would do. It would punish future generations by driving up prices even more. Loan forgiveness is a one time handout to whoever happens to owe at the time. It’s a “fuck you, I got mine” move

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Loan forgiveness is just one example and I didn’t examine the topic in depth on purpose, but bluntly, loan forgiveness without reform in the system isn’t very meaningful, so when I’m referring to loan forgiveness, I’m not strictly just referring to forgiving existing loans; the topic should also include reform to the system to reduce or eliminate student loans for all future generations.

      That context was beyond the scope of the original discussion. The fact that this was your take away, is very interesting to me, since it wasn’t really the point of the post.

      In any case, I hope you have a good day, and good luck in life.

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That may be the case for you, but it’s not even on the radar for most advocates of student loan forgiveness. You’re an outlier. That’s why it was my take away.

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      • time_lord@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Than call it loan reform.

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  • tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m in my mid 50s now and I haven’t got more racist… I’ve got angrier that things that were wrong in my youth are still wrong now, angrier at politicians that claim to represent me spouting racist bullshit. But if anything I’m more left wing than I was, and I’m definitely more liberal than I was 10 years ago.

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• Peaty@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most boomers did none of those things because most people were just living their lives.

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just how old do you think boomers were in the '60s? The generation didn’t start until the baby boom after WWII (hence the name), so the oldest were at most 25 years old at the end of the decade.

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  • criitz@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The teens and young 20 somethings in the 60s were the counter culture. You know, “don’t trust anyone over 30”. So they were boomers.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly, which is why the comment I was responding to…

      Most boomers spent the 60s beating the shit out of Civil Rights protestors and spitting on children because their schools were desegregated.

      …was wrong.

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s correct in the South and parts of the Midwest (this stuff happened in the 80s and 90s too).

        Still happening in a few southern areas.

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  • key@lemmy.keychat.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People just like using “boomer” as a euphemism for “old.” Same type of person as those who have used “millennial” as a euphemism for “young” for the past decade plus.

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And boomer seems to be just any white person with grey hair. It’s not even referencing a specific generation. It’s just a catch all for ‘old white people running the world’

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• DarkWasp@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is pretty misleading. There was a mix of people good and bad, just like there is now. Plenty of racist and hateful millennials/zoomers as well that lean conservative.

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• Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The hippies I knew born in the 50s just wanted world peace and to stop racism. And wanted their pot to be legalized. And to listen to their rock and roll. And not have their books banned and have safe birth control….whoa, it’s like yesterday is today all over again.

  There was also a lot more dangerous cults running all over.

  boomer weren’t just white people. There was a lot of activism to end racism and to get unions in place.

  Their way of protesting was insane too. People were setting themselves on fire and purposely starving themselves. Self harm was a form of protest. They weren’t lying about that.

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• Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t think they get more racist. They hide it less, the fuck it in old mentally

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, they don’t get more racist, but they think that WE will.

    They think older = more experience = more knowledgeable. Old people are more racist, therefore racism must be cause by being more knowledgeable.

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