Comment on Manjaro Linux Team Goes on Strike, Threatens to Fork the Project

zewm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• rabber@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What happened?

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  • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The trust. It eroded.

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    • ramble81@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I mean, I think they were looking for a little more detail that that.

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      • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Over a hundred thousand years the ocean of distrust has eroded the cliffs of trust in a non-insignificant manner.

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    • AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Keep the dumbass reddit style “jokes” to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You’re not funny and your lame attempt at a “joke” is just annoying.

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      • justlemmyin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        You know what I am going to do it even harder dot gif

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      • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        There shall be no mirth in this place!

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      • Nelots@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        And yet their “unfunny lame attempt at a joke” got 90+ upvotes, so clearly some people thought it was funny.

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      • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I think your butt plug has gone sour. Time to change it.

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      • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        So mean for no reason.

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  • Addv4@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.

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    • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.

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      • nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        and the certs lapsed again after volunteers built tooling to Prevent That

        but somebody never set up the cron job to run it

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      • vaionko@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Don’t forget their package manageer DDoSing the AUR multiple times

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      • njordomir@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I liked Manjaro, they had a nice theme, it was in the direction of Arch, but still had some guardrails for the noobish.

        Then my system kept breaking, then they screwed up their certs. If they want to fork it and go forward with a different focus/ideology, that’s fine by me.

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    • victorz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn’t that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn’t it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?

      Serious question, I don’t know the consequences of not renewing these certs. 😊

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      • Addv4@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        It’s the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It’s pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.

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      • underisk@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        it’s the main way for software to verify the identity of a source. without it you let nefarious actors do something like hijack a DNS server and impersonate your servers to your users, which is a pretty big problem if you’re running a software distribution network! it is literally a breach of trust and massive security vulnerability. and it probably broke a ton of shit when software that uses the certificate found an expired one and suddenly (and correctly) refused to work.

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      • rhubarbe@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        People are very harsh with Manjaro. There’s more than just a list of objective facts unfortunately. I suppose there were some bruised egos at some point.

        The certs issue wasn’t a big deal, it didn’t change anything for me as a user. It just paints a bad image.

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    • exu@feditown.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I think it’s actually 3 now. IIRC they did it again last year

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  • RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there’s also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.

    When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I’d have to roll back using snapshots.

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    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The manifesto mentions this and that tooling had been made by volunteers but leadership ignored or rejected it (wasn’t clear which). So it seems that they are firing their leadership for the same reasons you want to stay away, which is a good sign, at least. Like promising that they are willing to mutiny to stop the enshitification.

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    • rabber@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah the last time I tried manjaro years ago it kept breaking but I thought that was just the linux experience at the time haha

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      +1

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