Candice Owens has suggested that various powers that be played a role in Kirk’s assassination, particularly for speaking out against Israel.
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realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 month ago
I’m trying to wrap my head around that statement but I can’t come with any explanation why that should be the case.
Poxlox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Candace thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
Frankly, I don’t actually think that’s totally impossible, though its far from proven.
However, if you know anything about guns or ballistics… the scenario that has thus far been presented by the FBI as to the kind of weapon that shot Kirk and the angle and distance he was shot from…
Its completely impossible, and does not align with the evidence on the scene.
If Kirk had been shot from basically the front, by a 30.06, in the neck, it would have blown half of his neck off, there would have been a massive back blast of viscera behind him.
What the actual wounds from the autopsy point toward is that roughly a 5.56 round from Kirk’s above and right, entered his neck on the right side, traversed around and through various parts of his neck, untill it ended up severing the corotid artery on his right side and lodging itself into his left collar bone.
That bullet trajectory actually matches the specific injuries from the autopsy, and the video evidence.
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
You can run all the math on the physics of this yourself if you doubt it. I’ve already done it, search through my comment history if you want to see it.
brian@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”, my bigger worry is referring to .30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible. there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”
As I said, look through my comment history.
.30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
Oh my god, I made a formatting typo, therefore I am wrong.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible.
Not it isn’t, because I am correct, about a 30 awktua 06, from the range it was fired from, impacting Kirk at the angle it did.
You must I guess not be aware or how the intial reports from before the autopsy was fully done/released were that Charlie Kirk must have just had literally superhuman bone strength.
totalprosports.com/…/surgeon-makes-miracle-claim-…
Kolvet claimed a doctor told him Kirk’s “incredibly dense bone” stopped a high-powered round that entered his neck during the September 10 shooting at Utah Valley University.
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed. It should have gone through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too,” Kolvet quoted the surgeon as saying. Instead, the bullet lodged beneath the skin. He added that Kirk’s body prevented it from striking people standing behind him.
“Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him,” Kolvet wrote.
This is, as we say, fucking obvious horseshit.
You of course don’t know about this, because you have not done any research into the actual Kirk assassination whatsoever.
There are many, many more things that involved people said, elements of the supposed story of how Kirk got got… that do line up, that do not make sense, that are inconsistent.
I’m not confident enough to say ‘Israel killed Kirk’ because I have not yet seen conclusive evidence of that.
But I am confident enough to say that the official FBI story is full of obvious holes, say what I said about the 30000000.6, that this all stinks to high heaven.
there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
You could go look through my comment history to see doing that, or, you can just assume I didn’t.
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods, I’ve shot firearms, I’m one of the ‘realism purists’ when it comes to tactical shooters.
I’ve made ballistic models that will figure out likely penetration/ricochet/splatter apart impact angles, when a bullet of various speeds and itself being made of different materials, in different configurations (FMJ, HP, etc), impacts against different materials, which are themselves layered volumetrically.
You don’t need anywhere near that level of real world physical fidelity to be able to confidently state what I stated. Its rather trivial.
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
I mean…not to be THAT GUY but this line alone is pretty off. Depends on may factors like any other round, but 5.56 has 1/2-2/3 the energy of a 30-06 round at about 200yd. Ballistic data is pretty easy to come by. Saying that you’ve programmed some stuff for a few games and simulated models doesn’t mean anything at all when your scientific measurement is an imaginary moose femur at 500yds.
Anyway…they have a shooter and his rifle, so I don’t even know why we’re still discussing caliber.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods,
That’s so cool. Which ones?
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I skimmed your content history and don’t see any math there. If you’re going to make such claims, show your work.
TheOctonaut@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Holy shit it’s one of those guys, the “I did my research” guys. I never get to see them these days. Amazing. Imagine this energy used for something like painting miniatures instead
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
So, knowing nothing about 5.56 rounds but having shot a .30-06 at moose/deer/elk: in the 100-200 yard range the bullet will break a rib, travel through the lungs/heart/etc and then often exit the other side on a smaller animal (deer), or be sitting just inside the hide of a larger one (elk/moose).
I have no opinions on the rest of it that’s just been my experience.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Sorry I should have clarified that I meant that at the range of the Kirk shot, roughly 150 yards, a 30.06 has approximately an order or magnitude more kinetic emergy than a 5.56.
Roughly 900 ft-lbs vs roughly 2150 ft-lbs.
Thats another 0, aka, another order of magnitude.
hector@lemmy.today 1 month ago
That rifle almost shoots through a half inch of steel at the range of the alleged kirk shooting place. Gun enthusiasts at Valhalla VFT did some exhaustive deomonstrations. RW or no, I like him, he hates the fucking maga dipshits.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, we can distrust both. I’m not clear on what you think happened. Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer? In any case what is the motivation for lying about the weapon used…?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer?
Correct.
I think he was/is a patsy.
I think he did take a weapon, on that day, to the spot he was at… but he cannot have fired the shot that hit Kirk, from that location, with a 30.06.
Also… there is inconsistency about the entire timeline of where he was when, what he did with the weapon, and even what weapon we are even talking about.
youtube.com/watch?v=Trp2oAltsj0
Did he… dissassemble it, and then reassemble it, and then go to the location, and then disassemble it, run and jump off the roof, and then reassemble it, and then hide it?
That doesn’t make sense.
The FBI said that he wrapped up the gun in a towel or blanket, and hid it and planned to retrieve it later.
But … the picture of the supposed recovered firearm … is not wrapped in anything, its … in a cardboard box.
The optic is mounted so poorly that it would probably be an overall detriment to making the shot it supposedly made.
So did he… hastily reassemble a weapon he intended to hide, poorly, for some reason?
And did he wrap it up, or put it in a box?
Theres also a … lot of doubt that the correspondence between the shooter/patsy and his ‘boyfriend’, from the day itself is actually real, it uses highly unrealistic language.
You’ve got the weird older crazy guy who loudly announced he was the shooter, but… he wasn’t.
But he also said the point of him doing that was to allow the actual shooter to escape.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20e1jx0p5jo
A 71-year-old man who was briefly detained moments after the assassination of Charlie Kirk tried to help the suspected gunman escape by faking a confession, authorities say.
Utah County Sheriff Michael Smith said George Zinn admitted to police that he had “yelled that he was the shooter to allow the actual suspect to flee”.
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Mr Zinn “intentionally yelled he was the shooter and by doing so, obstructed Law Enforcement from focusing on the actual shooter”, the sheriff said in a statement.
Court documents filed by campus police allege that Mr Zinn began shouting: “I shot him - now shoot me.”
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Mr Zinn is well known among organisers of public events in Salt Lake City, the New York Times reported. “He showed up frequently to public forums with the intention to disrupt the event or question a high-profile speaker,” it said.
He also has a long history of minor crimes, including an arrest in 2013 for sending a threatening email to the hosts of the Salt Lake City Marathon just days after the Boston Marathon bombing, the newspaper wrote.
I mean, I can’t prove this, but if there ever was a plant, a paid agitator, a ‘crisis actor’… this is what it would look like.
I think the kid genuinely did plan and intend to kill Kirk… and that other people knew about this, and essentially shadowed him.
Palantir? Discord?
Oh, yeah, turns out all that shit’s monitored and catalogued in real time.
So, shadow the kid with a crew.
If the kid was gonna do it, great, he did it, mission accomplished.
If not, well, shooter 2 will pull the trigger if patsy wusses out, and then patsy takes the blame.
And I think scenario 2 is what happened there.
Who all, specifically, is involved in scenario 2?
Well, I don’t know all the exact names, but Kash Patel is one of them, you know, Captain Coverup, some of the others would have to be close to Kirk.
All of this, this is all speculation.
As I said, I know what a gun can and can’t do, the rest of this is a fucking mess.
couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Wait so he’s a patsy
But he also killed him
They just went the extra mile to change the rifle (and angle)?
Cargon@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I mean, if right wingers wanted Charlie Kirk dead, who am I to complain?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Because it’s more proof Israel is infiltrating and extorting the US government.
hector@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Goddamned right. And the actual right has a lot of people opposed to it, the america first people and others, thrown under the bus. While we are told they are coming from anti salmonism so we can’t work with them, by the worst pieces of shit on the planet, dividing and conquering us.
Enough, Epstein is the key to raze and burn the oligarchy. I’m serious, it’s our only chance.
hector@lemmy.today 1 month ago
If Israel’s faction, or whomever, on the right, wanted to kirk kirk, it would be to make things worse. So as a good citizen you should be opposed to, say turning his TP org into a hitler youth and school censor, which is where they are going now under Erika, a direction Kirk rejected for his own vision, along with two of their board p[r]icks.
JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Whatever happened to the theory that it hit his body armor first and deflected up into his neck? I haven’t looked into this in awhile, but recall seeing a video that looked like that is what happened. That would explain the loss in velocity.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
He was not wearing body armor.
To cause a straight-on shot from a 30.06 or a 5.56 from 150 yards to deflect, at that extreme of an angle, into his neck, externally, he would have had to be wearing plate armor.
Plate armor carriers are quite bulky and noticable.
They would be obviously visible, under a form fitting T Shirt.
There are tons of pics and video of Kirk that day, bending in different directions… at no point does he appear to be wearing a plate carrier under his shirt.
Kevlar or a more flexible kind of armor would not have deflected such a straight-on shot, it would have ‘caught’ it, or just slowed it down and spread some of the impact energy over the rest of his chest, while ultimately failing to stop the bullet from penetrating into him.
Either a straight-on shot to kevlar or plate would have caused brusing and/or fractures to his chest, whether the scenario is deflection or penetration.
Those were not indicated by the autopsy.
If he had been wearing body armor, been shot from the front, and the bullet then ricocheted into his neck…
The shirt would have a hole or tear of some kind where the initial impact happened.
It does not.
He had a backup lapel mic on his right pectoral, which was magnetically attached under his shirt, which then had a wire going across his chest, to a powerbank/transciever on his left side.
aap.com.au/…/viral-conspiracy-theory-about-charli…
The deformation of his shirt was a result of the impact of the round hitting him, causing him to jolt, which knocking off the earpiece, which tugged on the wire under his shirt.
Kirk wearing the lapel mic at another event:
The visible backup lapel mic on his right pec, immediately prior to being shot:
JoeMontayna@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Thanks for the explanation. Sorry, I’m new to this platform and I did not even realize you replied until now. Thank you for clearing this up for me.
hector@lemmy.today 1 month ago
The official story is bullshit. Not only on the ballistics but especially that. The rifle was supposedly broken down and put into that tiny pack in 1 minute flat, then reassembled in a nearby chicken coop, that a bomb/gun sniffing dog scanned without signalling anything, and an FBI finds it first minute on the scene.
It’s not possible, these working dogs are incredible, they didn’t miss a fired gun.
Syndication@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Mental illness can cause you to have irrational thoughts.
dumbass@piefed.social 1 month ago
Sly way of saying that Israel killed Kirk, who knows with Israel, could be true.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Israel’s big reveal is going to be that they did in fact send an agent to the western hemisphere hundreds of years ago just to bury some golden tablets in upstate New York and will be activating the entirety of Deseret with the phrase “Hie to Kolob”.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Would the “law of return” apply to Lamanites?
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Begrudgingly, if they’re down for the cause. The rule that only those who “return” from exile in Northern Europe get to hold positions of power still applies.
butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 1 month ago
Knowing how conspiratorial and antisemitic (as opposed to rightfully antizionist) she is, I’m going to assume she’s implying that THE (((JEWS)))™️ assassinated Kirk and then went to war with Iran with us as their meat puppet ally.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I feel like it’s the kind of shit that a bunch of drunken college kids would do as a prank.
Like they’re all standing around laughing at the people that are actually believing this shit and laughing even more at the people that get upset.
Marthirial@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s because you don’t have a MAGA in your brain.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 1 month ago
Yeah, normally I can at least understand what they’re trying to say, but here I just… I don’t know anymore 😭
homes@piefed.world 1 month ago
Because it’s absurd nonsense