Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.

  The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.

  As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.

  I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.

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  • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    TBF that one sounds consensusl

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    • DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic “breed this bull with this cow” arrangement, but still somewhat not good.

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  • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.

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    • Skanky@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Found the vegan

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      • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Did you know that one of the common methods of turning pigs into pork is to lower them into a chamber filled with carbon dioxide so that the pigs asphyxiate to death? They scream out in agony while dying. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, if not moreso.

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    • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      almost no calves end up as break at all. the cat majority are brought to full weight before slaughter

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      • mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        hahahahahahahaha I know that style of “arguing” from somewhere… neocat, laugh, tears

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  • protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    there is a new method of eletrical rectal stimulation that stimulates the prostate through the anus, afaik only used on bovines

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    • DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ew.

      So that is to say, as far as you know, the method I describe above more or less still applies for pigs, sheep, etc?

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      • protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        yes those methods are pretty universal

        ew? heh, thats not even the worst stuff, look up how artificial semination is done in goats, it is really bad, efectively a surgery has to be done

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• remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.

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  • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I get what you’re saying but it’s sexual assault, no?

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    • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No … it’s a cow.

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      • anise@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?

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    • theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?

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    • GreatWhite_Shark_EarthAndBeingsRightsPerson@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, it is.

      It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.

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    • testfactor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

      If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

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      • lalo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

        Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.

        Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.

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      • ageedizzle@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Compare: it’s rape to have sex with someone underage, but two underage people can have sex with each other without it being rape. 

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      • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

        That’s not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they’d naturally choose to.

        isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?

        And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can’t consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).

        If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?

        The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.

        You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of “preventing rape.”

        Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you’d have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn’t generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it’s cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren’t supposed to play God with every facet of an animal’s life.

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• goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  it’s a veterinary procedure

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  • FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Veterinary in the sense that “it’s a duty a veterinarian might perform do,” but in this context it’s done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn’t fast enough for this industrialised society’s appetite.

    It’s disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we’re under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn’t ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.

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