Yeah, and that’s how you get shitty age verification laws.
It’s a double edged sword
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m looking forward to the day when social media is heavily regulated and age-gated.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bummer that they’re necessary, but they are.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are not. It’s not the governments job to parent the nations children, (and conveniently erode our privacy in the process)
krashmo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How is this argument different from “it’s not the governments job to provide healthcare / education / social services”
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I don’t think they approach necessity tbh. At best, they’re a bandaid, and a crutch for parents.
But the drawbacks of the laws that have been implemented so far, and are trying to be, as vast overreaches that give a false sense of security with no real benefit. They also do that by placing even more information into the hands of the very companies causing the problem in the first place.
That’s where regulations would focus in an ideal world, limiting the companies from causing the problems in the first place, not slapping bad patches over them.
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah bummer that big daddy fascist leader is necessary, but they are.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Age gated? You’d submit your driver’s license or identity to these sites?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s already started, for porn. The kids don’t have to prove their age, they don’t have proper ID. So EVERYONE ELSE has to prove THEIR ages, and if you can’t, you are assumed to be underage.
See how well that works for the Nazis? Now they get to identify EVERYBODY who is on the Internet with their legal IDs, and they will know exactly who posted that nasty meme of Trump.
But it’s okay, because it protects the children.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
But it’s okay, because it protects the
children.casino advertisements.Australia’s Social Media Ban is a Win for Gambling Companies
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly. I don’t think it’s a surprise this all aligns with companies like palantir collecting people’s images into their database. I have a feeling on the backend these identities will all be used to track people online.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Photos aren’t going to help them track people online, that’s to track people in real life. With a database of images, they can use facial recognition software to track people wherever they go. Right now, they only have legal access to mug shots, which is all they should have. But with a database of normal citizens, they can track ANYBODY, and they don’t have the right to do that.
Imagine if your employer, or a stalker, or some HOA bitch, or overzealous law enforcement, or a lawyer, or an insurance company, etc. wants to hire them to see what you are up to?
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
While the ID shit is godawful, that’s not at all how it works in any implementation out there right now. There have even been multiple breaches of these systems, further demonstrating their issues, but you know what hasn’t been in any of the breaches/leaks?
Direct connection between ID and uniquely identifiable user information.
If I’m wrong about this I’d love to know, but as far as I am aware the ID leaks have not had shit like email address attached.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Probably not. But I don’t use most of them and the ones I do use my account should be old enough that I don’t have to.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The age of your account won’t matter. It’s not about age, it’s about identifying everyone on the Internet, and connect to them to whatever they are posting. They will verify age with your driver’s license, or they will lock your account.
The way around it is with VPNs, but MAGAs are already complaining about them. They are about to lock down the Internet, and to access it, you will have to let them read everything you write.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I can’t wait for the police to kick in my door and type my keys for me. jfc.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Already happening in some places, like Australia. Though I’m not sure if they’ll actually be able to enforce it.
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Or parents can do their job. We have to suffer with age verification bullshit laws that’s just there to have us all in a database.
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not having it be regulated makes it a lot harder for parents to do their job, because the kids with responsible parents are getting peer-pressured by the kids with irresponsible parents.
Or put another way: you’re not making parents do their jobs; you’re making their jobs impossible by forcing them to choose between ruining their kid’s mental health by letting her be exposed to social media, or ruin her mental health by forcing her to be ostracised for not using social media.
The only way to have a successful outcome is to force everyone else’s kids not to use it, not just your own, and no amount of rugged individualist good parenting can accomplish that by itself!
That said, I am extremely sympathetic to the arguments against age verification laws too, which is why my preferred solution would be to fucking outlaw and destroy corporate social media entirely, for kids and adults alike.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
You are exactly right. We’re all in this ugly, trapped situation, together, like it or not.
As a parent, do you remove the obviously ruinous toxins from the kiddo’s environment, entirely? Seems like the only sensible choice.
But then again…for the kid, few things could feel worse. An entire childhood spent alienated from their peers? Permanently out of the loop, to where that becomes the personality trait noticed and remembered by others?
What a horrible bargain, I completely hate it.
“Well, a little hideous poison for you, routinely, I guess. I wouldn’t want you to end up weird, after all…”
Retail4068@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or like, use the ample parental controls to limit their time to a reasonable amount 🤷♂️
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
the parent can only do that on devices they own. they can’t do that on classmates devices
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yeah man, you’re on top of it.
It’s just lazy parents, right? Like they’re not even trying, huh?
Couldn’t really have anything to do with - I dunno, NO parents except the born-rich, being able to parent properly, on account of having to make the dollars keep adding up.
Probably also NOT the wildly, disgustingly sophisticated Big Fucking Tech doing everything they can to pull our children into their hilariously successful maze of dissatisfaction.
If only the parents would just use the obviously available parental controls! Duh.
Fuck you, for real.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Agreed. Just the peer pressure for having a smartphone at all is immense. Some kids have one below the age of 10. That is absolutely insane to me.
Zoot@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Oh won’t someone think of the parents though?! How can they be expected to parent their own children, oh the humanity
IronBird@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
best thing on that front is same fix for most of the working classes problems…
Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not their childrens they belong to the State / Corporations / System
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Durable societies are unfortunately bound to have such inconveniences for some in exchange for the betterment of many.
Tech companies have released the equivalent of digital opium so they and the government are accountable.
When we look back at the opioid epidemic of the 90s we don’t blame the addicts or their families (well I suppose we did at one point, without the benefit of hindsight or a bigger picture view), we blame the Sacklers, pharmaceutical companies, doctors that took kickbacks etc.
I’d hate for us to make the same mistake just because the drug is delivered in a way we don’t completely understand yet.
It’s also not as simple as asking parents to simply be better at parenting, whatever that may mean. The drug is already out on the street, widely available, and ridiculously addictive. Keeping your child from it is not only depriving them of a dopamine hit that their brains are not developed enough to simply ignore (even most adults are addicted) and it is in many cases relegating them to social ostracization.
This is far beyond what one parent or group of parents can fix. It requires a societal level change which generally needs to come from the government, whether we like it or not.
Are we a society that collectively cares about the next generation? If we are then a solution is necessary. I’d be happy to hear out possible solutions and, as a parent, share what is viable and what isn’t. It would be nice to hear from other parents also.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
This rhetoric is very dangerous. It’s fueling censorship specifically targeting marginalized people
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Sure, legalize heroin for 12 year olds. Parents can regulate it themselves. Imbecilic reasoning.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Some important context on this user before anyone else gets dragged into a discussion: check their post history, multiple to a “Youth Liberation” community.
No shade meant by calling it out, but I think that makes it much more clear how strong your opinions are on this. There’s nothing to be gained in trying to talk to you about this when your opinions are set so strongly. You aren’t going to see the dangers that the rest of us see because your focus is on allowing freedom from oppresive parental figures.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Nanny
lemming@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Most parents won’t. People are people. Those that would want to have to ballance the risk of excluding their children from the collective.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They don’t, which is why regulation is essential.
And you’re already in the database.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_Nanny
disgusting. they should be taking us out of the database
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I agree. But I think we’re past that point.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
One lawmaker proposed a law that would make it illegal to allow your children to see “drag” so none of this has to deal with parents doing their jobs and everything to deal with giving Nazis control over what other people are allowed to see