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• e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think there are some differences that make the fediverse more resilient to this. For example, the absence of cumulative account karma keeps out the reddit style karma farming. The ability to ban whole instances also makes it easier to kick out bad actors. Instance admins could also implement their own rules like switching to an invite based system to reduce bot spam. Also it seems to me that reddit is actively encouraging this kind behaviour to inflate their user statistics and there is no incentive to tolerate this kind of spam for a fediverse server admin.

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  • hypnicjerk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    1. karma is meaningless to seo outside of account restrictions. the people doing this as a job aren’t doing it for imaginary internet points

    2. it doesn’t matter what individual instances do as long as the largest ones have open signups

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    • mapto@feddit.bg ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yet you didn’t respond to the point that makes the difference:

      reddit is actively encouraging this kind behaviour to inflate their user statistics and there is no incentive to tolerate this kind of spam for a fediverse server admin

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• Angelevo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We are all rats. When this ship sinks, we will float to the next, or (decide to) drop off.

  All things considered, how much would actually be lost?

  The alternative being…

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  • WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This comment made me realise that the internet could have been born, lived, and died, within my lifetime.

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Like phone calls, and texting, bad actors ruin everything that they touch.

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      • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Even snail mail.

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      • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Good actors too, it’s the nature of capitalism.

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    • BurgerBaron@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I consider internet dead at this point. I hang out on the outer edge in niche low population servers like the fediverse that the worst humans mostly ignore because spamming here isn’t profitable and manipulating politics doesn’t gain much for their efforts at the moment.

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    • Angelevo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thank you for the strange compliment.

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  • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Squeak

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  • balsoft@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The benefit of the fediverse is that it’s trivially “forkable”. If lemmy.world and other big instances get overwhelmed with bullshit, I fully expect that many smaller chill/focused instances will defederate and keep on doing their own things, chatting only with each other. Perhaps there would also be some in-between, instances which are federated with both worlds, and where you can get a combination of tons of niche information/entertainment but with bots, and a small amount of genuine human interaction. I hope if that ever happens, lemmy-the-software gets sorting algorithms to deal with these situations.

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• john_t@piefed.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse. The reward is too low for all the work of making a post visible, and it won’t carry to the next post, essentially starting all over again.

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  • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s no algorithm to be played in the fediverse.

    There presumably is. Something metric decides visibility on the feeds. That algorithm not being based on corporate profitability doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In fact, it doesn’t matter if there’s no internal incentive. If it’s being indexed and shows in searches it will have all the incentive needed to maximise SEO for profit.

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      • mapto@feddit.bg ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Google will never rank fediverse posts high. Said otherwise, the external incentives are not there either.

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  • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Hot ordering is itself an algorithm.

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• Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I mean there’s nothing preventing them for doing the same thing here. But if we could get a more even split of users between instances it would arguably be harder for them to pull the same thing because a) the admins can intervene and ban those accounts because the admins are not corporate slaves, unless they are in which case b) other instances can just ban the instance that is letting corporations go wild. We’ve already seen that level of “moderation” with Lemmygrad being ostracized from the wider Lemmy/Piefed ecosystem.

  It’s going to require more work from mods and admins, but I imagine we’ll fare better than Reddit. After-all Reddit has an incentive to support this kind of behavior.

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• Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I agree the Fediverse is not in a good spot for something like this.

  I actually think this is where the identity system of atproto will be more impactful here as it allows a better verification system. I’ve been thinking lately you should be able to use hardware attestation + biometric attestation on apps to filter these emulated users out.

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