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SheepHerder@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• treadful@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Bro went to Mecca tripping on acid.

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• daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lsd is often distributed and consumed via small paper squares called blotter paper. The paper is thick like cardstock. Sometimes with colorful psychedelic artwork printed on it.

  The lsd is diluted in a solution and the paper is soaked in the solution. Usually alcohol.

  The tiny microscopic lsd crystals deposit on the paper. The blotter paper is divided into 1cm squares.

  Lsd is neutralized by many chemicals , including chlorine (found in tap water) and stomach enzymes. It cannot be swallowed and still have an effect.

  To take LSD, a person will place squares (typically one square is 1x 100ug dose) of the paper on the tounge or under it. And hold for about 15 minutes. Some people take more than one. It can’t kill you. But it can lead to accidents in high doses that can kill you. So it’s not risk free even if health risks are low.

  Also I said ug. Not mg. The lsd drug is very unique in that it has high potency at micrograms. Fentanyl is another drug that has that property . But it is rare.

  The lining of the mouth (mucus membranes) allows for easy transfer of the drug into the blood stream. That’s true for a lot of drugs actually.

  This is why lsd has such a unique drug delivery method though. It can’t be swallowed and it should be used in very small doses.

  Lsd is also very resistant to degeneration. Oxygen, sunlight, and neutralizing chemicals like chlorine can degrade it. But if it’s stored properly it can last a very very long time. This is another rare property it has.

  It’s also clear, tasteless, and no odor.

  I’m a perception researcher and , of course, this would be a drug on my radar. So I know quite a bit about it. I’ve given a lecture on psychedelics. It’s a fascinating topic.

  Also I’m generally interested in psycho-pharmacology because , well, it’s interesting.

  If you want to learn more interesting facts about LSD and other psychedelics, ask away.

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  • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Incorrect about acid in the stomach. Most DOX and nbome chems are neutralized by stomach acid and during the mid 2010 acid drought swallowing tabs was considered the simplest way to avoid unwanted DOX trips.

    Source: the hundreds of tabs that I swallowed and still had a good time

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I took DOC back in the 00s (on purpose) and it was an extremely wild 20-some hours. Second weirdest thing I’ve done (the weirdest is Foxy by a WIDE margin,) but I still had a relatively good time due to having a great and comfortable set and setting. By hour ten, I was VERY ready to be done.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I was too poor to care, been on plenty of non acid trips on chems that lasted wayyy too long. Some were really fun, some were abject terror. Never got to try foxy sadly. MXE was the strangest chem I’ve tried and holey hell, I turned into an interdimentional worm crawling through the multiverse. It was super overwhelming.

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most drugs/medicines are taken in higher doses because the body filters or neutralizes the compounds so much that only a small portion gets into the blood.

      That’s still different.

      Even if the total quantity of the drug is small in the system once it gets there, it’s not the same as how LSD works. The drug, likely because of its similarity to serotonin and size , is readily absorbed into the blood stream and passes the blood brain barrier easily. It is not filtered out to a small percentage of it’s original dose like most drugs/medicines.

      You surely are aware of this ?

      There are very few drugs that can work in small dosages like LSD. As I said, fentanyl is one.

      I’m not sure what you are talking about with dox trips.

      Drugs like DMT /Ayahuasca also can’t be ingested unless they are mixed with a maoi inhibitor.

      Most psychedelic research chemicals (nbome) are much different than lsd with different pharm and effect properties.

      It’s possible that LSD is released more quickly on the tongue than nbome drugs. So as soon as it hits the tounge the drug is delivered. I don’t think there is research on this. But I’ll look into it.

      But this idea that it’s not neutralized in the stomach is false. There is plenty of research on that.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Look up Clonazepam, I’m not going to argue with somebody that is as confidently incorrect as you are. I have a decade and a half of subjective experience and personal research into the chemicals I have put into my body, and spent countless hours talking with people that know even more than I do. Yes, LSD is very active in small amounts. So are plenty of other chemicals and calling it unique because of that is incorrect.

        Also, stomach acid does nothing to neutralize LSD in any meaningful way, please stop saying that.

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  • icelimit@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So take lsd and go star gazing.

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    • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but… it’s really hard to stay focused. Everything is kinda awesome to look at, so I have forgotten about the stars and zoned on my surroundings or my hand or a hundred other things. I like tripping in the woods or at the beach best personally.

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      • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Novelty is a common effect that people don’t talk about much. Essentially it makes everything seem new and novel.

        What’s interesting is, in the brain there is a specific spike in electrical activity (called event related potential, or ERP) that happens when you look at something new and unexpected. Some call it the novelty indicator. Designated P3a.

        You can measure it with eeg equipment (electrodes on the scalp).

        I’d be really interested to see if that ERP is happening more on LSD. It might shed more light on the mechanisms of the drug. If it doesn’t happen, then it would challenge the theory of what the P3a is.
        I personally think LSD has a lot of potential to be used to research perception processing in the brain.

        Too bad it’s basically impossible to get approval to use it for that reason.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P3a

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    • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      hell yeah

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    • couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I believe the phrase is taking an lsd

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  • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    LSD absolutely can be swallowed, I don’t understand where all these myths come from and how they keep being propagated over decades and decades when it is a very simple thing looking it up.

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What would you call the structure of the lsd molecule that deposits on the paper?

      Nothing I said about long term storage contradicts the specifics of the things that do break it down.

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re divided in 0.5x0.5 cm.

    You can totally eat a tab and still get high.

    Nowadays is hard to find 100ug doses. The minimum I had found is 150ug. Anything over 400ug isn’t LSD but Nbomb that is dangerous and should be avoided.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ugh I do not miss 25i. Put a blotter on my tongue, taste it IMMEDIATELY, spit that shit out.

      (This might have been mentioned and crooner definitely already knows this, but to others interested: LSD has zero taste at all. It just tastes like the paper it’s on (or gummy, faint grain alcohol if you’ve got a vial, etc)

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      • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I gave up on LSD because it lasted way too long and finished not enjoying it, until talking with a friend I commented that the I also hated the sour flavor of it and he was like dude that was nbomb not LSD. The he gave me some actual LSD and it was way more pleasure experience, not as high, but the experience didn’t extend as long and the landing was confortable.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bitters a spitter, gimme my money back

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah yes you are correct. I definitely mis reported the size. It’s 5x5mm

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  • BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly, damn. That sounds like a very interesting topic. If I wanted to learn more what resources would you recommend? (preferably textbooks/articles)

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You know there isn’t much in a single location aside from Wikipedia.

      In textbooks I’ve come across , there is discussion of the pharmacology properties or a brief note about counter culture and general effects.

      There is limited research on the drug as it’s been black listed for almost 50 years and even now, it’s primarily only researched for terminally ill people/mental health. Only a handful of those studies exist and none use double blind controls so the science quality is poor.

      I myself am not convinced it has mental health benefits due to the way the drug works. It does however have strong suggestive effects meaning the drug itself promotes placebo/expectation effects.

      The lecture I put together for my class (perception and sensation ) pulled info from a wide range of resources.

      However there is one organization trying it’s best to do modern research and they have done some MRI studies. There was also a study on LSD and synesthesia which sheds a lot of light into the mechanisms. MAPS is the organization. maps.org

      They have videos on YouTube with researchers discussing the research and studies they have done. But they mostly focus (last few years at least) on it’s use in mental health.

      The drug property information I know about is mostly pulled from old research from the 60s before the research bans. A lot was done on animals to understand dosage and half life. The cascade effects of how this drug works are still not really understood. We do know that the drug is similar in structure to serotonin. But there are still a lot of unknowns.

      Let me dig around for my resource links. I have a few interesting studies I found when preparing the lecture, including the synesthesia one, and I’ll organize it all and I’ll put a link up to a g drive with it.

      The lecture I did was 3 hrs long about hallucinations with a chunk dedicated to psychedelics. It did rely on other lecture materials to understand or otherwise id just put it up. (It was the final lecture for the class so it referred back multiple times to previous lessons). But maybe I can re-write it a bit. I’ve honestly been thinking of turning it into a video for a while because there are so few resources out there that review it more broadly. And a hell of a lot of misinformation about hallucinations and psychedelics.

      Basically this lecture was on hallucinations and the primary causes and how each of these causes relies on the same root changes in brain processing.

      For instance. You are driving on a country road at night. Vigilant to look for deer. Multiple times you were sure you saw an animal near the road but soon realized it was a fence post. Or an old glass bottle reflecting your headlamps. But for a split moment you did see an animal there before you corrected the perception.

      What ultimately caused that is what causes hallucinations in other situations. Like schizophrenia and drug use.

      So we circle around neuroscience, psychiatry, physiology, and pharmacology. As well as cultural impacts influencing the experience of hallucinations or psychedelics.

      This is getting long. Apologies. The lecture is 3 hrs and relies on many other hours of information. It’s a big topic.

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      • jve@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        All this and you don’t even link to erowid?

        www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

        You don’t seem like a very good researcher.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        FUCKING EROWID

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    • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This person is an unreliable source fr information on LSD.

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    • oozynozh@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      m.psychonautwiki.org/wiki/LSD

      erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Erowid. Textbooks don’t really exist about this stuff, unless you’re like a pharmacology student and reading at that level.

      Erowid also has free versions of PiHKAL and TiHKAL, Alexander Shulgin’s two books which are fucking awesome

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      • BlasphemousTiefling@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thank you!

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can definitely swallow it

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your stomach acid will definitely neutralize it. But after having it on your tongue for a while the drug has been deposited into your system.

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      • Viceversa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You’re confidently wrong:
        www.sciencedirect.com/…/S2772632023000338

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That is incorrect

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And where do we get it 😂

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dark web

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      • hoch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t even have to go that far. LSD variants like 1V-LSD can be purchased on the clear web with a credit card. Took about 1 week to be delivered from Canada to the US, and was the most potent acid I’ve ever tried.

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  • teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How much acid have you taken yourself? Because it definitely works when swallowed.

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      After re checking this information, I believe I was confusing DMT and LSD properties of not being active when ingested.

      I remembered DMT can’t be ingested but I was sure it was true for LSD. But I was mistaken. LSD is neutralized by base not acids.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        DMT can be ingested so long as an MAOI is also present in the system. That’s literally what Ayahuasca is.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait, is two tabs unusual? Like sure the default among my friends was one, but two is for when you really want to experience it and is more for constructive trips or to hallucinate and three is for when you need even more but you’re playing with fire there

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    • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean it depends on the person and the dose on the tabs. Like most recreational illegal drugs, it’s hard to know how much is actually present on the tabs.

      Many times drugs are diluted at various steps of transport and selling. Though it is harder to do that to a drug already on paper like this.

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• JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LSD usually comes soaked into small clips of paper usually just called ‘tabs’, which come initially as sheets with tear lines seperating. You tear off one, pop it on your tongue, and suck on it.

  This guy had two tabs from the look of it and is about to probably have a very spiritual experience.

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  • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    alternatively you can just keep a tab on your tongue or between your gums and you won’t have to wait a few hours, just roughly one hour

    (lsd absorbs wherever it is in your body, but your mouth is closer to your brain where you want it ending up)

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    • Starski@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah, from personal experience of hundreds upon hundreds of trips your come up time doesn’t have any noticable time increase or decrease depending on where you keep the tab. The only thing I’ve ever had change the speed of the come up, was potency of the tab, aka quantity of LSD, not the location of it. Sure, if you took it intravenously it would likely go noticably faster, but otherwise any time difference would be practically negligible between consistent doses.

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      • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        huh alright, i remember reading somewhere that it’d take longer/have worse effects if you sucked on a tab instead of just keeping it rested somewhere in your mouth. never really thought to look up if it’s true or not as yk, keeping a piece of paper rested on my gums is just easy so, always went with that

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• Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Everyone talks about the drug part, but not the rest. So, filling in on this one.

  The black thing right there is The Kaaba, the holiest place of Muslims. People on the background are completing Ṭawāf - holy pilgrimage to The Kaaba, which ends in going around it seven times in a counter -clockwise direction.

  People there normally wear special clothes and chant holy phrases as they go around. For Muslims, it’s a very serious and spiritual event.

  The dude poses in a way that says “hey, I’m gonna get spiritual with THIS” while completely disregarding every rule about being there.

  (Muslims and other knowledgeable folks are welcome to correct me)

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  • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also this is what inside of Kaaba looks like if anyone was curious.

    Image

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    • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For being a cube, it bothers me that it’s asymmetrical inside.

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      • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s also not a cube!

        It is 12x10,5x15 m.

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    • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was curious if there was anything inside it for at least a decade. I have no idea why I’ve never looked it up. I even subscribe to Wikipedia.

      Thank you

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    • yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      damn, I didn’t even know there was an inside, ngl pretty damn cool

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      • modus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The gift shop is just off-camera to the right. You can get Mohammed bobbleheads but they’re pretty marked up.

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      • dan69@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ?

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    • wabasso@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whoa, I didn’t know we’d be allowed to see inside.

      …now I need to see inside the tomb.

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Where’s the meteorite, is it in that box?

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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LSD is often distributed on small pieces of paper that you dose by putting them on your tongue and letting them dissolve.

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• RogueBanana@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I am guessing he has some sort of drugs on his tongue? Could use a couple more pixels.

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