Well. At least it will guarantee the USA’s eventual fall from power.
Can you imagine the tech bros and anti-intectuals groveling to rejoin the scientific community.
Unfortunately science is not a morality structure.
Comment on China’s ‘artificial sun’ breaks nuclear fusion limit thought to be impossible
Slovene@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Meanwhile USA is stealing Venezuelan oil. Good job everbody. 👍
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Diurnambule@jlai.lu 2 months ago
Stay positive buddy.stay positive buddy, if oil become obsolete the struggle of the us will end. Their trouble is price of oil. They need to inject oil in the system to reduce price and stay competitive with solar, etc. And they have to attack other country to maintain the system. It stay viable for long they will have to go renewables.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 months ago
Tanks, jets and rockets don’t run on electric. Can’t do a big war without some good old crude oil.
iopq@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But drones can. Little propeller drones are killing Russian invaders by the thousands
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Trump and other dictators are vain (uh, reviving an outdated class of naval ship and naming it after yourself sound familiar?) so they’ll prefer bombers, tanks, and rockets over some little robots with little propellers. They disdain things that look weak regardless of their usefulness.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 2 months ago
Pitch that to Trump and his team and see if they will run their next kidnapping op by propeller drone only.
iopq@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, current electric helicopters don’t have a long range. But that’s a 2026 problem, when battery tech improves they can be made just as good. Actually, better, since electric helicopters are quieter
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 months ago
Just a few years ago US labs were the first to generate more power than they put into a fusion reactor , it was one of the most important breakthroughs to date in fusion.
Even under the shitheap Trump, the US is continuing to research into fusion and building stellarators such as Infinity 1 in Tennessee.
Europe likewise is leading breakthroughs such as with Wendelstein 7-X in Germany lasting for 43 seconds . This is being improved with the new Proxima Alpha stellarator being built.
China’s EAST reactor had a breakthrough when they achieved 1,000 seconds last year.. While Europes recent ITER tokamak should be achieving its first plasma in the coming years.
Fusion is a global effort, and scientists are benefiting from the works being put in elsewhere. Stellarators and Tokamak are both breaking new grounds each year, and each has their own pros and cons.
Don’t fall for any propaganda trying to claim anyone is “winning”.
sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
oil, coal and nuclear are clearly not winning.
we could solve the worlds energy problems today but they’d never be applied simply because oil exists. its literally why the US just attacked venezuela. They could have built another reactor or windmills or whatever the fuck else they feel they need if energy was the reason. but energy has nothing to do with energy and all to do with being a natural monopoly that’s making a small group of people quite wealthy.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 months ago
Yes but those are not fusion. Fusion is the ‘holy-grail’ of energy technology. It is a long term goal that we must work towards. It’s a problem of science.
For now renewables are the cheapest, quickest, and best method we have. They should be receiving all the money wasted on those 3 methods you’ve mentioned above. That’s a problem of politics.
We easily have the means to achieve both, we are hamstrung by shortsighted corporate interests and yes this applies to China as well.
masterofn001@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It doesn’t matter if the people with the war machines are the ones who control the grids,lines,pipes,etc.
The ‘holy grail’ will most likely result in further top down dominance. As god king tyrants demonstrate their continued uselessness to humanity by creating more powerful and destructive weapons and hoarding the infinite power supply for their own.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I gotta be honest, as amazing as the promise of limitless fusion energy is, I’m really not optimistic that it’ll be a major or even an important technology for the energy sector, at least for the next 200 or so years.
The thing is, we already have fission power and we’re struggling to use it right now. And fusion has almost all the same strengths and drawbacks, but bigger. I do believe we will achieve sustainable fusion, probably soon. But I’m certain that while it will “work”, it will also prove to be the most expensive form of power generation with the largest upfront costs that the world has ever seen. And I don’t expect those prices to come down for a very long time.
Personally, I think anyone who expects fusion to be some kind of miracle technology is kidding themselves. And if people really want a miracle technology in the energy sector, look at geothermal, that’s the only tech I see that has any potential to become cheap, limitless, and constant.
I do think fusion will have good applications, but it will likely remain niche for a while. I definitely look forward to seeing spacecraft propelled by ion drives and powered by fusion, it would be amazing to be able to get to Jupiter and back in on tank of (xenon) gas.
BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nuclear is different from oil and coal.
They’re not solving the world’s problems not because oil exists, but because big powerful private oil companies exist who lobby the government and publish propaganda to manipulate the public. And big oil companies exist because of capitalism. But at this point, you start spewing all the anti communism propaganda you’ve been fed since your birth.
sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
nuclear is the current dream for capitalists. because fuel is controlled and power is a monopoly - nuclear is guaranteed to always be profitable whereas hydro, solar and wind tend to run at a surplus and collapse the market by going into the negative value. since power can’t be stored, they have no choice but to supply power at no cost. with nuclear, they control the flow of power production and can always keep supply at the breaking point of demand to keep prices high.
chocrates@piefed.world 2 months ago
God, I wonder if we could fund a next gen fission plant with what we already spent on Venezuela
nforminvasion@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why you attacking nuclear? It’s an amazing technology
sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
it’s only amazing as long as the government owns it. in my country we could technically have free power because of renewables (and almost did, but EU stopped us from doing it because it would crash the commercial power market elsewhere - EU bs even made power more expensive just to make it competitive and not to crash oil and coal markets). but because of surplus power generated from renewables, our current neoliberal government has been getting rid of solar and shutting down windpower and attacked hydro in favor of constructing nuclear power plants; on top of making it law that the government isn’t allowed to own or buy the nuclear power plants and also offered to fund private interests the construction of nuclear power plants.
the reason? power is a natural monopoly, and nuclear is fuel based. which means the supplier of power decides the supply and demand by artificially controlling the fuel flow - the idea is to never let power run at a surplus supply generated by solar, wind, and hydro ever again so there is no risk that privately owned power monopolies would be unprofitable.
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
With US being the leading oil producer and stealing all of Venezuela’s’s oil, we’re positioning ourselves to control the world’s supply …… as they yawn and continue moving to the future
sibachian@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
the US is more likely to invade and destroy any country that make fusion viable than to let it compete on the energy market.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We killed a lot of people to ensure that oil is bought and sold with dollars around the world. No way we’re going to let that currency crutch just go away.
green_red_black@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Erm pretty sure Nuclear Fusion is a thing. Meaning Fusion research involves nuclear material
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Passenger vehicles and homes and most businesses could be owed by solar and wind, but oil will still be used for quite a while for cargo shipping and commercial trucks and things like tires. We could use a lot less, but oil is going to hang around for quite a while. Passenger vehicles account for about 25% of oil used.
hanrahan@piefed.social 2 months ago
What ? It was not really. Here’s a physicist discussing why.
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2023/08/fusion-foolery/
To be fair the hype machine was from the press not the scientists
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Stunts also draw attention to stuff. Its yet to be seen if its a net positive but it did help me get up to speed on the current state of fusion technology.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It’s still decades to never from being practical.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 months ago
It always will be until the day it isn’t. Breakthrough’s cannot be timelined or predicted.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m assuming the sole reason the Orange cunt hasn’t destroyed the US’s fusion research is because he wants to give exclusive rights to build and use it to
Vault-Techthe tech broligarchs who bribe him.thorhop@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
These comment sections can be a place of puerility and defeatism. Thanks for being the difference.
coredev@programming.dev 2 months ago
Thanks for your positive and refreshing comment ❤️
green_red_black@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
While we maybe researching and contributing into Fusion we are not at all looking into making use for the energy grid. At most just if it can be used for the Data Centers
(Which is yes we could but I think providing free energy for homes is a better use you ask me.)