“we’d rather amputate that entire source of revenue than pay workers fairly”
Oh come now, Its not just about money.
Its about making sure frat boy culture of sexual harassment and assault continue unabated.
Comment on Ubisoft Closes Canadian Studio After It Unionizes
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
“we’d rather amputate that entire source of revenue than pay workers fairly”
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 days ago
NEILSON_MANDALA@lemmy.world 3 days ago
i’ll bet you anything the higher ups crunched the numbers and realized that was the case. your boss’s boss’s boss doesn’t give a shit about any of you and ONLY cares about maximizing the bottom line, regardless of who gets hurt
SippyCup@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
“hey know how we cut a few developers loose and they created an iconic video game without our oversight? Should we do that again and forsake all profits and consumer goodwill a second time??”
Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Cue that Ants scene… they want to nip resistance in the bud, before it grows too large.
zd9@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Capital would rather burn everything down than lose a penny to the working class. Yes in this example, highly paid developers are considered working class relative to billionaire owners
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 days ago
I like to think that we’re all working class, and that to subdivide classes further benefits only the capital
zd9@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yes in reality, like 90% of people are working class, but I just wanted to make that designation for anyone reading it and going “software engineers aren’t working class”. I mean it in the more general working class vs capital owners.
laurelraven@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Anyone who cannot stop working and live off their own wealth (and not rely on the working income of others) for the rest of their lives is, by definition, working class.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They don’t live week by week, they have thousands to tens of thousands of dollars of disposable income per month.
No, I’m not going to treat them the same as my fellow lower classes.
bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 days ago
That’s a mistake. If you treat them as your equal then you can make then see they aren’t special or “middle class” and then you have another pair of hands to help the working class.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 3 days ago
Everybody who has to work for a living is part of the working class. Further division is just “divide et impera” by the owners.
very_well_lost@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Not in the games industry, lol
zd9@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Just making the distinction that both blue and white collar workers are all still the working class generally. Colloquially, “working class” can be used more to mean blue collar workers, but in my context I mean anyone not in the capital ownership class.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Really? I always assumed they made more than developers in the “enterprise” world.
very_well_lost@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Noooo, not even close. There may be some senior devs in AAA studios making bank, but the vast majority of people doing the day-to-day art and development work on games typically get much worse pay and benefits than similar roles in other parts of the tech sphere.
A lot of people are very passionate about making games, and the games industry heavily exploits that passion to short change its workers. A lot of (mostly young) devs are willing to accept less pay to work on games because they feel like it will be more fulfilling than working on other mindless corporate crap, and those who do get jobs in the industry are afraid to ask for more money or try to unionize because they know there are a dozen equally passionate candidates waiting to replace them for less money if they make too many waves.
The result is that wages stay lower than other tech jobs and hours worked are much higher. With AI on the rise the problem will no doubt get even worse as execs use it as an excuse to shrink teams and “do more with less”.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Everyone wants to work in games. Few want to work on accounting software and client messaging organization programs. Who do you think gets paid more despite doing basically the same thing?
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I’m moving from a “not bottom of the ladder but pretty damn low” test automation position to the game industry and I’m expecting to make half as much
87Six@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Devs are working class
Because they actually work on products literally, they’re the base of their profession with pretty much nobody under them bar a few juniors if any
I fear the day when being a dev like me becomes so normal I make minimum wage and can’t afford anything anymore… It’s seriously terrifying to realize I worked and learned all this time and it may be for nothing in like 10 years…
zd9@lemmy.world 3 days ago
lol that day is coming sooner than you’d think, I think 10 years is being generous tbh
You should learn a highly niche specialization within SWE if you don’t already have one (that’s what I have). That will be overtaken by AI too, but it’ll give you more runway at least.
87Six@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
Yea… I definitelly need to do that…
hayvan@piefed.world 2 days ago
Higher wage working class is working class. If your income doesn’t come from owning things, if you put in work to get your income, you are working class. Division among ourselves only weakens us.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
it’s not even just about the money really. it’s just as much about control. you have to make an example of any uppity unionizing peasants right at the start, lest you end up with your entire corral of cubicle drones strutting around thinking they have some kind of say in any aspect of their work environment
kahnclusions@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
100%. I always ask people to look at their tax return. Does your money come from your labour/work, or from the things you own? If you aren’t living off of the things you own, then you are working class.
zd9@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I mean I own stocks and stuff in index funds, so… AM I THE CAPITAL?? lol jk
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
If your income comes mainly from your work, you’re Working Class (even if you own you own business), if your income comes mainly from the money made by the money you have (in assets or even “investments”) you’re Owner Class.
Certainly, modern politics only ever divides people in those two classes, with mainstream parties generaly only working for the good of the Owner Class which is how you end up with falling salaries in real terms and growing Asset valuations in the form of bubbles on all kinds of assets, most notably stocks and realestate (notice how most mainstream politicians see the rising of both stockmarkets and also house prices - tough of late, they don’t say it about the latter quite as openly - as being good things).
The single greatest scam of modern Neoliberal Capitalism was making people who own their means of production but still have to work for a living think they’re not Working Class and hence Neoliberal Capitalism was actually working for them.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
You’re not familiar with the games industry are you?
Their wages are significantly lower than related software fields of similar skill sets.
Zink@programming.dev 2 days ago
Yeah, that’s another fun aspect of our culture. Jobs that many people actually want due to what they are passionate about lead to abuse.
It’s the reason I never seriously considered getting into game development or becoming a teacher.
I am the rare father involved in the PTO (parent-teacher organization) along with my wife at our kid’s elementary school. We were handing out basic cheap supplies to the teachers last month as a Christmas thing. We’d interrupt the class to give the teacher a SINGLE roll of paper towels and then a small box of tissues or some glue sticks or whatever, and they were excited and grateful every time!
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
how highly paid are we talking? I doubt they’re making 200k
keep in mind that Canadian tech sector wages are not on par with american - as a rough rule, just keep the dollar value and change the currency (i.e. 100k USD salary is 100k CAD salary)
Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Capitalism will let us all eat shit and die and still cut that shit with the last of the Amazonian sawdust.