Cachy’s not that bad for beginners. We’ve come a looooong way from Manjaro.
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Kirk@startrek.website 2 months ago
🤞pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite🤞
I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro
oh god dammit
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
toynbee@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I haven’t used Manjaro in many many years, but IIRC it was the first distro I used that reliably supported Wi-Fi.
TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
i think i absolutely loved manjaro for the first week. then it just went downhill. i still think that manjaro had cool things. it’s been my favourite grub because of it being somewhat riced and always picking up whatever dual boot i had on different drives. still i would recommend manjaro only to those people who need to practice fixing broken distros. its really good at that.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m kinda surprised it’s still around, and popular.
I guess it still has a lot of SEO and such.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Bazzite is much worse for a new user then cachy. Worse documentation and a load of quirks from being immutable.
Frankly they would be better off with mint unless they need very up to date hardware support for like a laptop.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I installed CachyOS for a weekend and it’s now been several months. I love it.
But I would never, ever recommend it to a new user. It still requires someone to be comfortable on the command line and it’s possible to break it if you don’t know what you’re doing.
Bazzite just works. You install it and start logging into your accounts. It’s nearly impossible for a newcomer to break, and perfect for the vast majority of new Linux users.
Recommending Cachy to new users hurts not only those users but the entire Linux ecosystem.
I don’t recommend Mint, either, but only because I am a KDE cultist, I hate Cinnamon, and every time I’ve tried it on anything I’ve had frustrating hardware issues that I have never had on Fedora.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m BlameTheAntifa and I have a distro-hopping addiction.
“Hi, BlameTheAntifa.” The circle of disto-hoppers echos.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Guh, I’ve been running Mint for a couple of years now and the only thing I have had it not talk to was an obsolete audio interface.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Bazzite is good for people who break their computer constantly because it’s harder to break. Cachy is better for people who can be trusted with sudo
PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
I broke CachyOS once and have learned to be more careful. First distro in 25 years so lots of learning to do. Was on Windows until 10 EOL.
Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This. I mained Arch for 2 years and still can’t be completely trusted with sudo. Moved to Nobara, would recommend as well. Its a bit more advanced, but you don’t have to touch the command line if you don’t want to and setup is right there step-by-step when you first boot.
I did try Bazzite first. I just couldn’t get used to living the Flatpak life. I know you can force install native packages, but at that point why wasn’t I just using Nobara, lol.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Drag tried Bazzite last year and hated it for the same reason as you. Now drag’s on Cachy and loves it. Drag did accidentally break the swap file entry in fstab and dealt with months of slow booting and freezing, but drag accepts that as drag’s own fault and fixed it. If a user is good natured about fucking their computer up with sudo, cachy is a great OS, and most users won’t even do anything complicated enough to risk breaking their computer that bad. Bazzite is for users who can’t fix it or won’t accept it when they do something stupid with sudo.
wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
CachyOS has been flawless on my S/O’s desktop. From an easy install to plenty of documentation available, I couldn’t have asked for much more.
I don’t think it was a poor choice.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Flawless wouldn’t require any documentation.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Everything requires some documentation.
wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
There are instructions on your McDonalds coffee that say, “This coffee is hot.”
You might feel as though no documentation is necessary here, but clearly it was a critical miss for someone.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Yeah, a lady got third degree vagina burns and a fused labia from McDonald’s coffee. She needed surgery and skin grafts. She sued them and asked for her surgery bills paid, but the judge noticed that McDonald’s had already got a lot of complaints about serving dangerously hot coffee, and he decided to award her one full day’s worth of profits to teach them a lesson.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Are you saying McDonalds Coffee is flawless?
Mesophar@pawb.social 2 months ago
They didn’t say it required documentation, they said it had plenty of documentation should you need it.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And I’m telling you to grab a dictionary and lookup what flawless means
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I distro hop regularly, still have to see that one ‘flawless’ distro, or system for that matter.
BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Agree.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Pfft Ubuntu has existed for years.
atmorous@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Are you looking for fellow Bazzite users? (I’m one of them)
Good to meet you brother/sister! We walk a rather lonesome road but glad I stand alongside you
CCMan1701A@startrek.website 2 months ago
I’m standing slightly to the left of you.
atmorous@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m standing slightly to the right of you.
Kirk@startrek.website 2 months ago
I am trying out Kinoite now but it’s very similar. I think the immutable distros are best for people who want a “Just works” experience to start with.
Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Sometimes I feel like I have to physically pull people away from things they aren’t going to like. Everyone wants to learn how to drive a semi with a b-train, but they should be starting on the good old reliable Camry.
Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
As a veteran geek but absolute Linux noob, can you explain a bit the differences of Bazzite vs Mint? Just recently installed Mint on an old laptop, and it went quite smoothly… But the real test will be my plex server!
statler_waldorf@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Mint is Ubuntu/Debian based and uses their Cinnamon desktop environment.
Bazzite is Fedora based and uses KDE as the desktop environment.
The biggest difference is that Bazzite is atomic or immutable distro. The core systems are read only so it’s harder to break. It’s also harder to tinker with. You’re mostly limited to packages that are available in their package manager. You can install other stuff via layering if you really need to tinker.
Kirk@startrek.website 2 months ago
Bazzite is good for noobs looking for a gaming option because it’s “immutable” which means the filesystem can’t be edited, which makes it nearly impossible to break.
Mint is still very noob friendly, just not immutable. Both are solid options because neither one requires any command line to get it on-par with Windows.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Just went from Bazzite to Steam OS on my TV PC. It’s a little less flexible but I don’t use desktop mode for much on the TV or want to install anything outside a few emulators and external game launchers. I’ve had too many updating issues with Bazzite over the years. The recent deal breaker was sunshine broke preventing it from updating.
tirednapstablook@lemmings.world 2 months ago
It’ll be nice when we learn to downvote distro shills into oblivion.
Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Everyone uses their computer differently and you’re binded by the distro that provides.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I’M FED UP, GOING TO INSTALL LINUX!
I’M FED UP, THIS IS TOO HARD, I’M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!
Kirk@startrek.website 2 months ago
Every. Single. Time.
murvel@feddit.nu 2 months ago
Not really…
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Cachy is one of the easiest distros to use
katharta@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
For real, it is 100% arch done “the right way” with sane defaults and thoughtful optimizations. Made the switch a few months back and hadn’t looked back. CachyOS is a wonderful project.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Easy for Arch. The Arch community is far too hostile for the first run for newcomers
Aneb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If you want to use arch for the first time use an already setup distro like Manjaro.
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Honestly, Day 1’ers, I’d rather they run Debian, Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. There are strong communities that are noob friendly. Go ahead and install Steam, get some games working, get their feet wet. 99% of the time, they don’t need more than basic stuff. Once they’re over being afraid of not being in windows, then start distro hopping to whatever they want.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
I can really suggest Mint for beginners simply because it has an UI for about everything you need somewhat regularly. This means, that you can use GUIs to get familiar and aren’t forced to know your way around the terminal. Its the Ideal beginner Distros (at least from my experience)
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
This is exactly right. It’s a journey, not a race.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 months ago
KDE Neon ftw
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Cachy is a better starting point then Manjaro. Manjaro gets funky.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I disagree. If you want to use Arch for the first time, install it the Arch way. It’s going to be hard, and that’s the point. Arch will need manual intervention at some point, and you’ll be expected to fix it.
If you use something like Manjaro or CachyOS, you’ll look up commands online and maybe it’ll work, but it might not. There’s a decent chance you’ll break something, and you’ll get mad.
Arch expects you to take responsibility for your system, and going through the official install process shows you can do that. Once you get through that once, go ahead and use an installer or fork. You know where to find documentation when something inevitably breaks, so you’re good to go.
If you’re unwilling to do the Arch install process but still want a rolling release, consider OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s the trunk for several projects, some of them commercial, so you’re getting a lot of professional eyeballs on it. There’s a test suite any change needs to pass, and I’ve seen plenty of cases where they hold off on a change because a test fails. And when it does fail (and it probably will), you just
snapper rollbackand wait a few days. The community isn’t as big as other distros, so I don’t recommend it for a first distro, but they’re also not nearly as impatient as Arch forums.Arch is a great distro, I used it for a few years without any major issues, but I did need to intervene several times. I’ve been on Tumbleweed about as long and I’ve only had to
snapper rollbacka few times, and that was the extent of the intervention.starblursd@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I agree… I went with arch because I like rolling release but wanted to force myself to learn how things work. Anymore, arch has just as much chance of breaking as any other distro, fairly low honestly. It does however have the most detailed documentation and resources available.
Now on CachyOs cause it’s quicker to setup and the team behind it is so damn on top of getting issues fixed asap.
Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
Learning is good.
I know someone who after years of being told about gentoo, still refused to use the handbook to install it, had someone else install it for them, and gave up after a few months… recently revealed he thought it was a text only operating system. XD
Learning is good.
RTFM! :)
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Yeah, there are many people that just want the system to work and not have to become full time geeks like some of us are. There are also plenty of distros, atomic or not, that provide that experience. Perfect match. There’s a distro for everyone, from anti-tech people to full blown rocket scientists.
tomjuggler@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m voting for manjaro here too, it’s been working great for me for years. But noobs should 100% go for mint
redlemace@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Are you saying seasoned windows users can’t cope with LFS (linux from scratch) first time around? /s
rumba@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I see your /s but we all watched Linux Sebastian burn an easy distro to the ground with ample warnings while refusing to read any information about the distro. And he’s on the long side of the Dunning-Kruger curve for windows.
I think we need everything to work out of the box on all major hardware, no terminal commands, video accelerators working by default and steam to be a one-click install.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 months ago
Its been incredible watching him while my own IT career has grown and watching my networking knowledge continuously remain noticably ahead of his entire company’s. They finally have an actual network admin on staff so maybe they’ll actually have a network that isn’t completely flat…
redlemace@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I see your point but there are to many options and preferences. For one, the borders to what is “Major hardware” are very subjective. So are people’s need. (I’m your opposite: I must have a terminal, I don’t care one bit about video acceleration and and my interest steam is an absolute zero)
So do that and you might end up with a windows-alike crappy platform. My expectations (and/or) hopes are that different distro’s will keep focusing on different users groups. Some perfect for gaming, another for developers, a few for daily usage of email & browsing and so on