Screw it, I’m installing Linux

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• CaptDust@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  BREAKING: Man decides to install Linux.

  More details to come.

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  • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “I deleted the recycling bin folder named /bin/ and it just froze what do I do?”

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Freeze? Nah, it’ll keep chugging along 'til you reboot (or otherwise try to run a new program), and then won’t be able to start.

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    • redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You need to remark your files !! sudo rm -Rf /

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  • Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am glad to see articles like this. For too long I have seen articles saying “sick of this windows bullshit??” Only to find advice on workarounds in windows, or suggestions to use a console, or a fucking phone app. For too long Linux has been treated like the evil twin locked in the attic, never to be spoken of or acknowledged.

    IT IS TIME! TIME TO ANNOUNCE WE HAVE RELEASED THE LINUX AND IT WAS THE GOOD CHILD ALL ALONG! BART WAS THE EVIL ONE AFTER ALL! LET IT BE KNOWN!

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    • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      To be fair (even though I also and both happy and relieved to see articles like this), just because you convert to Linux, that doesn’t mean everyone else will. I have used so many guides to help debloat windows computers, and turn off nonsense I don’t want (mostly so I can use proprietary software for work). My choice to not use windows in my personal life on my personal devices doesn’t really change my situation with needing those guides to help others circumvent windows BS.

      I wish we didn’t have to live in interesting times and all that, but the guides are helpful.

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  • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    BREAKING: Man breaks Linux, installs another distro, and lives happily ever after.

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    • henfredemars@lemdro.id ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s like eating exactly one potato chip.

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    • te_abstract_art@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      BREAKING: Man announces he runs Arch, btw

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  • wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Am I the only one annoyed the article is an article about a future article? Like I didn’t get anything out of their experience into linux because it’s just a pre-article and the user transition experience is what we’re interested in.

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    • Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I got annoyed and stopped reading before that became apparent.

      Content churn. Pussy-footing. Just get on with it! Heh.

      Still, it’s good to see more are jumping ship (to freedom), with how much M$ keeps making it worse (abusiveness).

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• ogeist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh man, don’t read the comments, sad to see the smartasses saying “report back when you install windows again in two months” while getting utterly fucked by Windows.

  I mean, I understand being resistant to change but being a fanatic of Windows or anything for that matter just because that’s all you know is really ignorant, it’s not a sports team for fucks sake, of course it’s not easy switching and you will have problems just dont be afraid to ask and read the error warning.

  Rant over

  I use Windows for work and I miss Win10, I don’t like it but I’m aware that’s currently the target of most Consumer SW for good reason but that reason is starting to break (say it with me! BAD BUSINESS DECISIONS!!!).

  Happy to see Linux getting mainstream, not all comments are bad but I the trolls got me.

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  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s like do-gooder derogation. ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-gooder_derogation )

    Someone doing something good? Fuck them. They think they’re better than us?? Where do they get off??!?

    A lot of people are trash and are emotionally invested in both the way things currently are, and that they are a very good person

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    • dan@upvote.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      TIL there’s a name for this

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  • azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, if you honestly think about it, Linux has always been tried by many of people that eventually went back to Windows because something wasn’t entirely straightforward. Don’t get me wrong, I love Linux, but I don’t blame people for thinking that. Trying Linux is very different than sticking to it. Linux is amazing OS for people who put at least some effort into learning it, but like it or not, it can be absolute pain for those expecting things to just work without any interest on why they experiencing issues. Given how many sets of hardware and peripherals people have, weird quirks, bugs and required workarounds aren’t unheard of. Maybe it’s just something very simple to fix for an advanced user, but normies will just run away.

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As someone who tried it for a few months then switched back for several years before returning permanently two years ago: Linux has long had the problem that it’s completely ready for different people at different times.

      In 2017 it was in pretty good shape if you weren’t a gamer, didn’t mind tinkering a fair bit, were prepared to learn a completely different two ways of installing software, and didn’t rely on proprietary apps (I couldn’t get Netflix to work). I was only ready for the tinkering. Also I’d used Ubuntu and gnome just added more changes.

      Five years later a lot had changed. I wasn’t using Netflix (especially not in the app) for one. But Proton had come around and made gaming just work. My wifi drivers just worked unlike before. Years of mobile app stores and a few months of lemmy had prepared me for repos, even though it still took some getting the hang of to switch from just downloading and double clicking an exe file. But also the software options are increasingly available rather than having to learn to use old school wine while in the middle of a massive change. I still think I should switch away from garuda at some point as I dislike some of the choices it made (no flatpak support for one), but I love aspects of it. And all throughout that time that Linux was getting more accessible to someone like me who isn’t a coder, but was tech nerd curious, windows was increasingly getting in my way and becoming anti user.

      I think adoption will continue to increase as Linux continues to get easier for more people

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    • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it can be absolute pain for those expecting things to just work without any interest on why they experiencing issues.

      I think that describes computers.

      Windows does the same thing, only worse because it is harder to trouble shoot, and harder to fix if you find yourself at the point where a reinstall is the only way out.

      I am dealing with a laptop like that now for someone else, and it would be simple if it was linux, but of course its a pain in the ass because its windows.

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      , it can be absolute pain for those expecting things to just work

      Linux Mint just worked.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it can be absolute pain for those expecting things to just work

      Which is like 95% of people.

      Imagine if cars worked this way. Imagine you needed to be a mechanic to operate your vehicle. To start and drive your car, you first have to do automotive work, and know how to do automotive work.

      A lot less people would drive themselves. A lot more Ubers.

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    • Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      expecting

      There’s the key flaw.

      Maybe if we kept speaking of Free Software philosophy, people would not have these misplaced expectations they’ve been conditioned to as dis-empowered consumer cash-cows of the monopoly.

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    • DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I must say on mine laptop it took fewer tries to have Linux mint working. When I was installing the Nvidia drivers I was losing the WiFi ones and couldn’t do anything to fix without internet there

      So after some reinstalls I learned I need to update mint first, than do the Nvidia update, this did the trick for me.

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  • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Who knows, maybe Autodesk will finally start thinking about Linux.
    They already use Qt anyway, so the .NET part is all they’d need to fix.

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    • tal@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s Mono. I don’t know what portion of .NET compatibility issues that addresses ib 2025.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t see them as trolls. I’ve been on ZorinOS for about a year now. I hate it because I don’t know how to do anything, but I’m not smart enough to learn terminal.

    Flatpaks are the answer to installation. But any problem I have, I google, and every result starts the same way.

    "Ok, Step 1, open terminal

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    I have a 100% rate of those solutions not working for me. And the reason is simple. Those solutions assume you know how to use linux. So when you copy and paste their terminal commands, and your terminal responds with error: dependancies not found, YOU know how to fix that error and it works for you. But for most regular people, thats the end of that. Problem not solved. Problem remains a problem FOREVER.

    No, seriously. I have a usb recovery stick that allows me to backup/restore my hard drive exactly how it is. Anytime I have to use terminal I ALWAYS make a backup of my hard drive first. Which takes 4 hours. And the reason for that is, when I inevitably fuck something up in terminal, and the whole OS crashes, and refuses to boot, I have a backup. It takes nearly 20 hours to restore the image, but it works. But whatever problem I was trying to solve remains.

    Imagine if that were your linux experience. Windows spies on you. They have enshitification out the ass. But it works for the masses without technical knowledge.

    The other issue is that businesses use windows. So most people are firmiliar with windows. So all the popular programs are on windows. Linux has a way to emulate windows programs, but its hard to get working, and sometimes just DOESN’T work.

    If linux had every single program windows has, 100% as a flatpak, it would do wonders for install rate…for about a year.

    Once people install the programs, they’ll at some point run into an issue. On windows you solve the problem 99% of the time by restarting. On linux, that hasn’t fixed any of my problems once.

    These people aren’t trolls. They just have a different opinion than you from a different perspective.

    Next time you have an issue in linux, any issue, regardless of how small, I want you to turn off your computer for 4 hours. Then turn it back on for 5 minutes. Then off again for 20 hours. Don’t solve the issue. I know YOU can solve the issue in 30 seconds, but don’t. After the 24 hours no computer use, just live with the problem for the rest of your life.

    Yeah, that doesn’t sound fun, does it? Sounds like a reason to have a sour experience. Suddenly they don’t seem like trolls.

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    • __hetz@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I hate it because I don’t know how to do anything Some examples of what you’ve been unable to accomplish might add clarity.

      but I’m not smart enough to learn terminal Bull. Shit. You’re just not used to it and, even without picking up any knowledge of shell scripting, you’re only a man somecommand away from understanding what specific command line programs do. somecommand --flag --another-flag /home/me/thing typically isn’t much different from opening some GUI app on Windows, ticking two boxes, opening the file picker and selecting C:\users\me\thing then clicking a button.

      All that said, now we really need examples because there’s probably no need for you to be messing with the terminal to begin with. At least not if you aren’t doing anything outside basic computing like web browsing, chat, productivity tasks and such. So what are you trying to do in the terminal that the OS failed to provide a GUI for?

      Flatpaks… NOOOOO… I haven’t used Zorin but flatpaks are enabled by default if I understand. Yes, you can install them via the command line but it looks like you could just open the built in software center and search for whatever it is you want. The only exception I can imagine is if you’re trying to install from a source other than whatever Zorin uses by default (Flathub, I would guess).

      dependencies not found With Flatpaks? Wat? With some other command? Context, please.

      Anytime I have to use terminal I ALWAYS make a backup You’re competent enough to image and restore your drive but not stay out of trouble in your OS? You presumably had to learn whatever software, and the underlying concepts, you’re using for that. Clonezilla, Rescuezilla, Macrium Reflect, etc all exist to make it easier but you’ve gotta know what an “image” is, what it means create it and subsequently write it onto a drive. How to identify the correct drive so you’re not wiping out something unintentionally.

      So, are you not spending even a few minutes to check if the code snippets you’re pasting are applicable to your specific distribution? At least skimming the man page for the commands you try to run? Are you assuming “it’s all just Linux, right?” and that there isn’t nuance between distributions? Running shell commands you don’t understand is like running whatever backup solution you’re using without understanding it - just blindly clicking buttons and maybe you get a backup or maybe you format a drive and lose decades of family photos, your research paper draft, and whatever else. And if a fuckup costs me a literal day of my life in restoration time, I’m making it a point to use that time to figure out why so I hopefully don’t repeat the process in the future.

      There’s little substance in your complaints and I’m left just so genuinely confused. In my head I’m imagining a walking talking XY Problem. Some specific examples of what you were trying to achieve or the snippets you were blindly pasting might shed some light but, left to guess, your actions sound akin to gamer kids running random batch scripts claiming to tweak power settings or whatever else in order to eke out a few extra FPS. Windows isn’t going to protect anyone who treats it the same way you have seemingly treated Linux.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can learn how to use the terminal. You have demonstrated the ability to compose a coherent sentence, you can learn.

      Every terminal command is a program. Typing a “command” into the terminal is just typing the name of a program. If you type firefox, Firefox launches. If it’s installed, we’ll come back to that. Anything else in the “command” like if you see letters or words after a dash, something like ls -a is an option, it’s like ticking a box in a dialog window, but on the front end. I recommend spinning up a virtual machine or getting a Raspberry Pi or something you don’t care about, and following some tutorials. Learn how to move around the file system, install software, run some utilities.

      About that “if it’s installed” part. You mentioned you run Zorin. Zorin is what I call a Trendy Distro Of The Month. I’ve been using Linux for twelve years now, this hasn’t stopped yet. There’s the mainstays like Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Red Hat, Fedora, Arch, OpenSuSe, there’s the niche special purpose things like Kali and TAILS and Puppy and Tiny, and then there’s the hundreds of quadrillions of “We took Ubuntu, put Steam on it by default, swapped SystemD for whatever.rs, swapped Firefox for Chromium and did a half-assed job at theming and extending Gnome that’s going to break every time they push an update.”

      PeppermintOS, ZorinOS, ElementaryOS, Pop!_OS, Garuda, Nobara, Endeavor, Manjaro, Bazzite, Cachy, hundreds of others, are basically the same software in some slightly mutated permutation that most veterans aren’t familiar with. Invariably the veterans first hear about them from noobs who went looking for a distro that is “good for gaming” or “easy for beginners” and because SEO they find the Trendy Distro Of The Month. Which always offers some little gimmick that ultimately doesn’t matter. The process of getting a Bazzite ISO is taking a little Cosmo quiz about what you’re going to do, but then the installer is really borked compared to Mint or even Fedora.

      A lot of instructions are written with Ubuntu or sometimes Fedora in mind, and then you pick a distro that differs from those, and then bitch that instructions don’t work.

      Also, you need to upgrade your backup hardware if it takes 20 hours to image a drive. That should take minutes.

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    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can’t speak for you, but trouble shooting, even if you dont know what you do, is at least in my experience way easier. A terminal command does the exact same thing, no matter on which system (OK, there are differences like package manager, but you get what mean) and no matter when. On Windows you get 10 screenshots of a UI that has changed 10 times since the creation of the guide and no or a completely useless error message if something does not work. As long as you are not trying to debug big ass problems that affect core components of your system (bootloader, drives, stuff with the kernel) it is in fact quite hard to fuck up your entire system (it can happen with Updates on Arch, but this is usually quite rare). As long as you are not touching anything else except your /home directory you should not be able to break your entire system. Also if you are still scared of losing date, there are ways of creating system snapshots (backups). Backing up your home directory is enough because this means, that all the files you use daily are backed up.

      Since you mentioned dependencies, here’s a quick answer to what this means. There are a shit ton of programming libraries. A library has the use case, that a developer does not have to reinvent the wheel every time they want to do something. You dont want to write a complete library for GUIs every time, but instead use standardised well maintained and documented libraries. Since Programms use these they depend on the user having this library (or alternatively Programms) installed. This is called a dependency. In most cases dependency errors mean, that an expected library is not installed. In this case simply copy the name, and search “install name Linux (or your Distros)” and you are almost guaranteed to find a tutorial for installing it.

      My best tip is, that you take the time to learn the basics of Linux. What is a package manager and which one does my system use, how do I navigate directories, how do I create and delete files, how do I edit files. How do I copy or move files. If you know the basics of these things you know most of the stuff you need to know to understand what you are doing. If you want to read more about a specific command you can also always refer to the man page of said command. For this simply type in man “command name” (e.G. “man cd” this gives you the basic infos about the CD command (used for navigating directorys))

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    • ogeist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      By the way you write I now you are smart enough to learn the terminal and you should not fear it, since you are starting with linux it is expected that you will make errors and that is ok. Linux is yours to do and undo.

      One of the reasons why Mac was able to take some market share from Windows is that all their computers are the same regardless of the needs of the user, so trouble shooting is easy as all are the same.

      Your full backup strategy is kinda overkill, also tells me your are more than capable of learning the terminal btw, you should just back up the critical data then reinstalling/fixing your installation will take the same amount of time for backing your full drive. There are forums to ask for help in linux and there are a lot of us that try to help brother/sister in need. Also timeshift might be easier faster than the usb thing.

      I do not know Zorin OS but there are other flavors of Linux that might be better for you, maybe something atomic like Bazzite which is immutable so you can’t fuck it up. One distro does not represent all.

      About your Windows for the masses comment, every one of us linux users started with Windows because that’s what the computers came with, Microsoft paid a lot for that to happen, and the users got used to Windows and got used to its quirks. That is in itself technical knowledge, so there are no computer users “without technical knowledge”

      About the restarting the computer to solve issues comment. That’s just not true, my work Windows computer started blue screening with no reason, no amount of restarting fixed that.

      Now to the trolls, they are trolls, your are giving a proper argument for your use case and I respect you for that because you are giving linux a try. The trolls im referring to are the ones shitting on linux without even trying it or just calling people names because they dare to try something different.

      About your comment for living with issues with my setup forever as a non-techy user reminded me of the 10s of toolbars my aunt had in her computer and complained when I removed them because she had gotten so used to them.

      Do not fear the terminal even Windows was once DOS, install and try all the distros you can they are FREE, there are a lot of flavors for different needs.

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    • Mangoguana@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That command terminal thing is so real. When it works, its magic. When it doesn’t work, you just messed with forces you didn’t understand and are already forced into chancing a repair and maybe make the problem worst or getting back to the original one! (Very discouraging if you are just trying to get work done, especially for non techies)

      I think the problem with linux users is that they can’t imagine that the appeal for most people who want to use an OS is to make something happen in the “real world” with a top level piece of software, like you want to draw a cute cat on the screen not learn how the compositor draws the pixels to different resolution screens WHEN the monitor model is a use case supported scenario.

      The objective is to use the computer as a tool NOW for a SPECIFIC thing without diving into the inner guts of the machine for some people, and that’s honestly fine.

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  • Alaknar@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I mean, I understand being resistant to change but being a fanatic of Windows or anything for that matter just because that’s all you know is really ignorant

    I’m suspecting around 80% of the people who switched to Linux after Win11/AI stuff, will switch back within 6 months.

    I’m saying this as a Linux user.

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    • hakase@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m still going strong two years later! :D

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    • ogeist@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes and that’s ok, but the comment you tagged is about the people just shitting on linux without even trying it, they are kind of Windows hooligans.

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  • saltnotsugar@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve been using Linux as my daily driver for over a month. The only thing I miss are some old windows apps that I’m too lazy to troubleshoot in Wine.

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    • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m too lazy to troubleshoot in Wine.

      I’ve been daily driving Linux for about 3 years now and one major tip I can give is to avoid using non Linux apps as far as possible. When I started with Linux I also tried to get windows apps running on Linux, but this, at least as far as I remember, never worked the way I wanted ans always caused more troubles. Currently I’m at a point where I dont know where I used plain wine (I am not counting proton) the last time. It has been 2 years at least. I Am using native Linux apps for everything I do. Much less trouble shooting, no need to learn wine additionally to the command line and much less prone to breaking because of an update.

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  • dan@upvote.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The top comments don’t look too bad now… Maybe they’re ranked differently or something

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    • mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      they removed the comment section now 😅

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The existence of PC Master Race tells me everything I need to know about gamers who cling to windows.

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  • tirednapstablook@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I will say, I have very low hopes for this person sticking with Linux because they made a big deal about switching to it.

    They’re going to feel like they need to continuously justify their decision as they’re learning, which will magnify the demoralization of every problem he encounters.

    And he will encounter problems.

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  • CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It kind of reminds me of the whole Rust situation in a way. The evangelists were so heavy-handed that an active counter-movement developed, and with the adoption being wider the fanatics are heard less and what remains is their counterpart. We certainly aren’t quite there yet with the Linux discussion, but it seems to be what we’re heading towards.

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• Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  🤞pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite🤞

  I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro

  oh god dammit

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  • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’M FED UP, GOING TO INSTALL LINUX!

    • picks a complicated distro where you really need to read the manual or do some heavy google searches to do gaming *

    I’M FED UP, THIS IS TOO HARD, I’M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Every. Single. Time.

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    • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Cachy is one of the easiest distros to use

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    • Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you want to use arch for the first time use an already setup distro like Manjaro.

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    • redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are you saying seasoned windows users can’t cope with LFS (linux from scratch) first time around? /s

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cachy’s not that bad for beginners. We’ve come a looooong way from Manjaro.

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    • toynbee@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I haven’t used Manjaro in many many years, but IIRC it was the first distro I used that reliably supported Wi-Fi.

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    • TerHu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i think i absolutely loved manjaro for the first week. then it just went downhill. i still think that manjaro had cool things. it’s been my favourite grub because of it being somewhat riced and always picking up whatever dual boot i had on different drives. still i would recommend manjaro only to those people who need to practice fixing broken distros. its really good at that.

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  • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bazzite is much worse for a new user then cachy. Worse documentation and a load of quirks from being immutable.

    Frankly they would be better off with mint unless they need very up to date hardware support for like a laptop.

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    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I installed CachyOS for a weekend and it’s now been several months. I love it.

      But I would never, ever recommend it to a new user. It still requires someone to be comfortable on the command line and it’s possible to break it if you don’t know what you’re doing.

      Bazzite just works. You install it and start logging into your accounts. It’s nearly impossible for a newcomer to break, and perfect for the vast majority of new Linux users.

      Recommending Cachy to new users hurts not only those users but the entire Linux ecosystem.

      I don’t recommend Mint, either, but only because I am a KDE cultist, I hate Cinnamon, and every time I’ve tried it on anything I’ve had frustrating hardware issues that I have never had on Fedora.

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    • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bazzite is good for people who break their computer constantly because it’s harder to break. Cachy is better for people who can be trusted with sudo

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  • wendigolibre@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    CachyOS has been flawless on my S/O’s desktop. From an easy install to plenty of documentation available, I couldn’t have asked for much more.

    I don’t think it was a poor choice.

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  • atmorous@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you looking for fellow Bazzite users? (I’m one of them)

    Good to meet you brother/sister! We walk a rather lonesome road but glad I stand alongside you

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  • Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sometimes I feel like I have to physically pull people away from things they aren’t going to like. Everyone wants to learn how to drive a semi with a b-train, but they should be starting on the good old reliable Camry.

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  • Ulvain@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As a veteran geek but absolute Linux noob, can you explain a bit the differences of Bazzite vs Mint? Just recently installed Mint on an old laptop, and it went quite smoothly… But the real test will be my plex server!

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  • hardcoreufo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Just went from Bazzite to Steam OS on my TV PC. It’s a little less flexible but I don’t use desktop mode for much on the TV or want to install anything outside a few emulators and external game launchers. I’ve had too many updating issues with Bazzite over the years. The recent deal breaker was sunshine broke preventing it from updating.

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  • tirednapstablook@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’ll be nice when we learn to downvote distro shills into oblivion.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone uses their computer differently and you’re binded by the distro that provides.

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• gergolippai@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Tech journalists” installing linux in 2025 like it’s this hot new tech is not exactly the early adoptership I’d expect from them :)

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  • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Every time anyone rejects Microsoft’s shitty bloatware/spyware it’s a win. I just converted a few months ago. Win11 is going to push more and more people away.

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  • Omgpwnies@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For ~97% of the computer using population it is a hot new tech.

    Compared to the state of consumer-grade Linux 5 years ago to today, it’s absolutely a hot new tech.

    One cannot understate the impact that the Steam Deck and Proton had on driving consumer-friendly features to Linux simply from the demand of an exploding user base.

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  • Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I felt late to the party in 2003. Been quite the ride watching others suffer windows this long yet.

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• nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Me after using the KDE: how the fuck Linux is better Windows than Windows?

  They were supposed to focus on window managing, ITS IN THEIR FUCKING NAME. Instead you need extra things like Powertoys for basic functions that KDE has integrated.

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  • LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    KDE is the best desktop environment I’ve ever had the pleasure of using. So much better than Windows at everything I want out of my desktop!

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  • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Honestly W11 window management by default is better than KDE right now.

    This was true for W10, but not any more.

    KDE window outline defaults (don’t have a generic name for setting up the snap zones) take way more effort to set up than the windows version.

    I don’t think requiring powertoys for extra features matters that much because its supported by the same company. In my opinion, when having something not default truly sucks is when its third party and is finicky and fickle because it requires developers developing vs a moving target.

    When its an internal team, they have much more knowledge about how that target will be moving.

    Anyhow, that is to say, I think KDE is great, and completely competent, and I love the level of customizability by default, but it certainly has many flaws. Of course its biggest flaw is not its own fault, but that of the catch 22 situation needed to gain critical mass, and the average linux proselytizer doing everything in their power to ensure people don’t want to try linux by somehow imagining themselves to be the every user, and constantly doing that annoying thing where they both say linux is powerful, and that the faults dont matter because the average user doesn’t use any of said powerful features.

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  • Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yus!

    That was so my take too, in 2003.

    I switched because of WinXP, that insane bloater chewing up resources I could have been using for my art tools if not for their squander on pointless shiny.

    So then, in SuSe, with KDE, it had even better shiny, useful shiny, not pointless, and it didnt run 10x slower than 95/98/NT/2000, like XP did, but instead ran 10x faster!

    There was no going back to being abused by M$ after seeing that.

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  • AldinTheMage@ttrpg.network ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And then power toys shortcuts conflict with the standard shortcuts and requires a ton of fiddling and customizing configs. You know, the thing windows users always say is a reason they don’t want to use linux.

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• aceshigh@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Are there instructions for the laymen? How difficult is it to install and actually use it?

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• Integrate777@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah, really do it ok? Not only are you helping yourself, you’re helping the clueless execs at microsoft who still have no idea why people dislike their stupid spy AI thingy.

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• goodboyjojo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Gaming on Linux has gotten way better than what is was a few years ago.

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• FreddiesLantern@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In general:

  W11: fire up office, oops wait, it wants to set itself as default and for some reason needs you to buy a one drive subscription for that. How about some copilot? Are you sure? How about we wrap it in edge? Oh, but you can install OpenOffice by all means, but it’s not going to be the default app right? RIGHT?!!!

  Oh you want to save the file to your harddrive? Look, how do I put this,… there is no more harddrive.

  Linux: type one line in the terminal and there you go. Write a novel if you want.

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• mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “…Based on listening to two and a half episodes of Dual Boot Diaries and a brief text conversation with Will, I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro optimized for gaming on modern hardware, with support for cutting-edge CPUs and GPUs and an allegedly easy setup…”

  One of the most important lessons I learned from using Linux: Follow the packs, use the distros that a lot of people use not just some recommendation on some ranking sites / youtube vids. Ffs, might as well use vanilla Arch at that point so you can find answers faster. . Even Mint or Ubuntu LTS is a solid option.

  The problem with new distros is that it is very hard to find answers to problems. General questions? Sure you can find help. Some bugs that mess up your system? You better pray to the GNU Gods that your distro spins are not that different from the original, e.g. Regolith’s i3wm vs normal i3wm…

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• goatinspace@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• mesamunefire@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The most successful Linux distros are ones that normal people are not aware they use at all. Most people dont install operating systems, they just use whatever comes with the device. To them its an appliance.

  Android is a flavor of Linux and is widely successful.
  Ive seen libraries use Linux and a browser and the machines worked for decades.
  And there are quite a few Amazon tablets, ebook readers, etc… all using linux.

  Theres a never ending number of examples out there.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Best desktop in the world, no joke.

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• douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Too bad Linux completely abandoned accessibility with Wayland by putting accessibility API implementations up to the distros. Which, by far, don’t. And when they do it’s fragmented as fuck.

  Making Linux an absolute no go for anyone that needs accessibility tools like Talon, which does work on X11 APIs. Since those were actually consistent.

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• pticrix@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Installed Mint last week. I already ported most of my personal stuff there ; as a user of FOSS software, it was a breeze. Still dual booting Windows because of work, but I’ll start trying to see if I can get the required tools to work on there too.

  For now, my biggest issue was that connecting my Bluetooth headphones to both Linux and Windows was fucky but, lo and behold, there was a guide online that told me exactly how to make sure both OS had the same one.

  It’s not a painless experience yet, but it’s way less painful than what it was running Win95 back then. And it feels so good to finally flip Microsoft the bird.

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• paequ2@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Whoa, surprised this is coming from The Verge. Is it really the year of the Linux desktop now??

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• n4ch1sm0@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dabbled with Linux on a Raspberry Pi and a laptop that I only used from time to time; it wasn’t until the imminent Windows 10 support drop announcement that I finally installed it in my main rig. The words “fuck it” were uttered in my mind too.

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• shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Welcome to the dark side. I’ve been here since about 2011, but I’m absolutely glad to see you’re coming over.

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• Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Just be forewarned:

  Nvidia requires a bit of work.

  SeLinux….it is a giant bag of gotcha.

  That all said I’m not regretting my conversion.

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• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The only thing that sucks about switching to linux is moving my external NTFS USB drives to my new linux server.

  Linux HATES NTFS, hates usb drivers, and hates external drives that aren’t formatted to ext4. fstab doesn’t work for my WD Elements, so i just gave up and shucked the drive and put it inside.

  I can’t fit 5 3.5" hard drives in my SFF dell 3070, so i’m stuck on windows right now, but they keep doing random updates the last few weeks and my windows explorer freezes constantly and my computer barely works. So i’m going to have to switch to linux and possibly reformat all 36TB’s to ext4. Not excited about that at all.

  So either reformat all my external drives, buy a very expensive NAS with an external SATA port and hope my motherboard recognizes them.

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• roserose56@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you going to install Linux, install something basic like Ubuntu, fedora, mint and pop is!
  Now tons of people will start searching for cachyos, because the vegre did.

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• circuitfarmer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not going to dwell on how annoying it is that it took people THIS LONG to get off the Windows train. I’m just happy to see the world changing for the better.

  Welcome to civilization, new Linux users!

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• NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  When will it be the year of actually being able to read articles?

  Linux has been great for me for over 20 years, but the damn internet continues to get worse.

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• Enzy@feddit.nu ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Either just remove the slop and telemetry or switch, no big deal or hassle either way.

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• RandAlThor@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What’s the easiest and most secure linux distro for a non-techie? This is for a spare thinkpad I want to try linux on.

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• muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “It came out of the box this way. I hate it but I paid good money for the device I own to tell me what to do!”

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• IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I guess, I won’t do the classic “haha you have to run console to install an app” meme because I know there are distros that cater to Windows users like myself, the problem I find is that most software I’d want to use wouldn’t be supported like video editing and stuff I care about, I’m glad to see Linux rise because only then Microsoft will learn, but also there’s not a BIG issue that’s keeping me from using Windows for now.

  It might change who knows.

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• LostWanderer@fedia.io ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If only the author actually reported on the post install experience, that would've been helpful for people looking to switch to a Linux distro...Kinda annoying they paywalled the article (thankfully, you've provided an Archive Link). I do agree with the author's suspicions that Windows is only going to get worse due to the AI bullshit that Microsoft is infecting Windows with; Windows, is at a breaking point because vibe coding is ruining update quality, a human hand is key to maintaining such a complex OS.

  After seeing the writing on the wall during the initial Recall situation, I permanently switched to Ubuntu (dabbled in other distros, before returning to Ubuntu). Gotta say, having full control over my operating system is nice. I only borked it around 11 times in the years of being on Ubuntu and others (mostly due to devil may care experimentation and a healthy amount of backed up data). Most of the time, I even recovered from the TTYL 3 screen, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Linux is in a better place than years past, Ubuntu, Zorin OS, and Mint are very usable for beginners who just want a PC that works. Valve's experimentation with Linux and funding development work done by Arch and others has smoothed out a lot of the bug bears associated with gaming, there are few barriers to entry.

  Outside the hostile big publishers who use anti-cheat that makes their games not run on a Linux distro via Proton Compatibility Layer (Rockstar are the prime assholes doing this, among others I can't rightly recall).

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• Grim@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I tried, but the DPI options in all distros I tried are too limited for my needs. I have one 4k monitor and two 1080p monitors. Zorin OS 18 only allowed me to set 200% on all screens IF they were all mirrored, so completely useless for me. I’m not using the terminal either. I want my main screen to be at 150% or so, or I can’t see shit, and my side monitors to be (obviously not mirrored) at 100% DPI.

  If anyone knows of a distro that allows the same settings as Windows for three monitors, please advice. I want to jump ship, I really do.

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