Nazies aren’t people.
Comment on Pow--
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The best part about the entirety of this comic is that Nazis are the exception to Batman’s “No Killing” rule. He straight up murders a dozen Nazis before a priest stops him.
It’s about time Nazis see that the world feels the same about them that they feel about others.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Sadly I have to disagree. They are living people. Do they deserve to be living? No. But they are still living entities which we classify as people.
Fuck Nazis though. They should die.
shane@feddit.nl 19 hours ago
All people are people. Dehumanizing someone is a great technique for authoritarian regimes, but should be resisted by everyone else.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
axx@slrpnk.net 18 hours ago
Absolutely this. This is crucial to resisting fascism in its various forms: dehumanising is an extremely dangerous slope and used to prepare people to accept unacceptable things.
TERFs are people. Nazis are people. Murderers and rapists are people. Fans of Asmongold are people.
It may be hard to accept, and tempting to dehumanise, but please don’t.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
Exactly. This will sounds flippant, but it’s the same thing when people debate over “what is art” as if something has to be good in order to be considered art.
Likewise, you don’t need to be good to be considered a person. In fact there is nothing you could do that could rob you of your personhood in my eyes. It’s inalienable. That doesn’t mean every person is good or should be treated the same way.
undeffeined@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Ahahahaah love the “Fans of Asmongold” jab
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
I treat people the way they treat other people.
If Nazis say a group of people aren’t people, then Nazis aren’t people.
Nazis are vermin that should be exterminated. A cancer on humanity that should be cut out with a big knife.
And if they don’t like that, then they should change their mentality.
luciferofastora@feddit.org 17 hours ago
I think the nuance is that Nazis ought to be acknowledged as being people, but not afforded any of the respects and graces the Nazis themselves deny others.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I treat people the way they treat other people.
No you don’t. You treat people the way you can get away with.
If an ICE agent bumped into you on the street tomorrow, you’d tip your fucking hat and keep your eyes down, because you were terrified of what he’d do to you if you didn’t.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 18 hours ago
Nah they decided they don’t want to be people. They see themselves as better. Not better people, just better. Therefore they aren’t people, by their own admission.
NatakuNox@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
They hate us of existing, we hate them for the harm they cause others. We are not the same.
And for all the individuals clutching their pearls over my comment please realize that I know what I said is right because when none Nazies (aka Antifaz) are in charge literal Nazies are not being rounded up and sent to gas chambers! Can we say the same of the Nazies were in charge?!
I don’t want Nazies dead. But they are not people.
87Six@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Yea nah, if somebody considers that I should be killed because race, or whatever else, they are not human to me.
I will not be held to a high standard of humanity by somebody that has no standard in respect to me.
Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 19 hours ago
Nazis are people who need to be forcibly reeducated, and the only way to get there historically is through violence.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
All fundamentalists should be reeducated.
Reeducation through violence is the methodology of totalitarian regimes, like the Third Reich, the USSR/russia, or China.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
id rather see them rehabilitated in jail, what you want is no different than what nazis do.
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Saying they aren’t people denied the evil that humans are capable. By calling bad people inhuman, it allows us to forget that we are able to choose evil.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
There are only nine meals between mankind and
anarchyfascism.You cannot discount how many modern American fascists are pulled from the ranks of the unemployable post-industrial underclass. How many people are signing up for ICE strictly for a paycheck? How many signed up for the National Guard or enlisted in our imperial wars overseas for the GI benefits? How many people could have been EMS or construction workers or ag workers with a paycheck that covered cost of living or white collar schlubs doing email jobs, but are instead getting handed tasers and zip ties and an unlimited license to do violence to their neighbors?
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 19 hours ago
What an extremely Nazi thing to say…
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 hours ago
Perfectly fine Marxist, anarchist, and liberal rhetoric alike in the lead up to the Second Anti-Fascist War.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just watched Inglorious Basterds yesterday, it put a smile on my face seeing those Nazi clowns turned into Swiss cheese
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
More like chewed out. I’ve been chewed out before.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
It’s on the list with my 11 year old this weekend.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Thats absurd.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Why? He’s responsible enough and I trust him. He knows right from wrong and really enjoys history. You raise yours however you want.
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
you should talk to someone about that
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Even of they have on clown make up?
pezhore@infosec.pub 4 hours ago
What run is this? I haven’t been keeping up with Batman, but I do love me some dead Nazis.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
The best part about the entirety of this comic is that Nazis are the exception to Batman’s “No Killing” rule.
It’s curious, because Batman’s always been tinged with reactionary politics. You’ve got your Eco-Terrorist in Poison Ivy, your Unfuckable Migrant Gangster in Penguin, your Smug Ivory Tower Elitist in Riddler, your corrupt hedonist politician in Two Face, and your Psycho Carny/Gypsie/Vagrant in The Joker. The Feds are all useless or complicit. The Arkham Asylum is all Hugs for Thugs (when they’re not doing Clockwork Orange shit to turn supervillains into weapons of the state). The only person you can trust is a billionaire vigilante working with the silent consent of a handful of “Good Cops” who turn a blind eye to his paramilitary crusade.
Writing Batman as “Anti-KKK” really loses track of the origins of the character. This guy basically IS the KKK, or at least some Disney-fied crime-fighting John Galt.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Writing Batman as “Anti-KKK” really loses track of the origins of the character. This guy basically IS the KKK
Imma need you to exfoliate
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
When Batman beats goons to a pulp because they supposedly deserve it, he’s approaching criminality as a moral choice. There’s an obvious correlation between social inequality and criminality, and it’s simplistic and dangerous to say some people are just “bad.” Still, when Batman goes out at night breaking bones, he ignores the core issues of Gotham City’s economy and simply flexes his millionaire’s muscles. By the way, this is the main argument used to defend the idea that Batman is fascist.
This is, incidentally, the rationale du jour of Red Scare Era KKK. Lynching black labor activists for agitating against the local government. Batman quite literally hangs people from lampposts, in a manner highly reminiscent of the “strange fruit” Billie Holiday sings about. They also popularized “policing” neighborhoods through night raids against black businesses that were deemed “criminal” purely through their relative success. Again, this goes to the manner in which Batman routinely roughs up members of the “legitimate” side of (what the author has decided are) criminal businesses.
Bruce Wayne’s vast financial resources only complicates the Batman character. The idea of a millionaire spending thousands of dollars on gadgets he uses to beat down poor criminals is problematic, to say the least.
It should be noted how many members of the Klan were, themselves, landlords and politicians and industrial millionaires of the era. They used their superior resources and their political connections with the police to engage in violent vigilantism against “criminals” like Emmett Till and Joe Spinner Johnson. And they organized within the Klan to promote racist policies at the public level, in the same way that Wayne Enterprises influences politics in Gotham City.
Let’s take Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns timeline, for instance. That Batman is unquestionably a fascist.
…
Batman puts himself above the law and brainwashes an army of lost souls to enact his will, crushing everyone he defines as an enemy. Instead of acting on a moral gray area, Miller’s take on Batman extrapolates some of the Dark Knight’s tendencies to show how the vigilante’s crusade against crime could turn him into a full-blown fascist.
Probably the most naked example.
Obviously, this varies by writer. And you can always find more liberal/leftist authors who have re-positioned Batman as explicitly anti-slavery, anti-apartheid, and pro-union labor. But these are very novel interpretations, relative to the character as originally portrayed.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nazis are Western “team killers”, everyone hates them, lol.
BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
While I agree with the last part of what you said, isn’t this from Absolute Batman? I thought it was sort of a reimagining of Batman for the single issue? I’m picking up my copy tomorrow, but that’s just what I’ve heard.