Comment on Beware, another "wonderful" conservative instance to "free us" has appeared
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It’s good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
And then in a couple years lemmy goes the way of reddit and suddenly were flooded with right wing bots and bad actors spamming lemmy with misinformstion and hate and they scream and cry whenever you try to do anything about it.
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
The day it happen we’ll just have to defederate them, which other social networks can’t.
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
That’s not what the fediverse is for. The fediverse isn’t to be your own personal haven. However, you can use the fediverse to make a leftist instance and defederate/ban right wingers as you please.
I haven’t been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.
Some of these platforms (notably xitter) have algorithms to farm rage
Oh you saw bots, they were everywhere. You just didnt realize you were interacting with bots. At least once a week I found a bot account trying to steer conversations on reddit.
What I do remember was being banned from half the subs because I posted a pro vaccine comment in the nonewnormal sub. And it wasn’t conservative subs that were banning me. It was usually leftist, slightly leftist or even completely apolotical subs with leftist moderation. And then they broadened their ban list to include pro life subreddits and anti-pitbull activism subreddits as well.
I did not get an impression that it was a right-wing site.
Twitter always was a cesspit as well, even before Elon. It was filled with leftist dreamSMP and k-pop stans who’d doxx you over misnaming a haircut in Animal Crossing. When elon bought it, it just turned into a right wing cesspit. A cesspit is still a cesspit.
I haven’t been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.
That says more about you than about the site lol
That I haven’t used reddit since 2023?
Do you realize Reddit is a monolith platform and not defederated? The things happening to Reddit and other centralized platforms is exactly the reason why Fediverse exist in the first place. Those problems are what Fediverse is designed to solve. It’s surprising to see people considering Lemmy as some kind of leftwing alternative to Reddit. It’s not.
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to evade censorship from fascists.
Inviting them over there is NOT good.
“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.
It’s to combat censorship. How will having ““fascists”” on the fediverse start putting in place censorship?
Inviting them over there is NOT good. It’ll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.
It sounds like you’re the one wanting to enforce censorship?
You’re saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.
I’m not talking about nazis or fascists. You were the first to mention them.
why are you running so much defense for nazis? not a good look.
You’re the one defending nazis.
Bruh, you’re working hard to defend nazis…
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to evade censorship from fascists.
“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.
All i see here is echo chambers because of lack of diversity. Do you think these crazies will respect freedom when they will get power in real life? These people hate “enemy” so much that they get pleasure from inflicting pain in them & will break law if it mean they are punishing the enemy. I joined here last week, rarely saw civil discussion or diversity in opinions.
My honest reaction exactly, and I have to say I feel like just being on lemmy for a little bit it does feel like a bit of a left wing eco chamber, which isn’t necessarily that bad and it makes sense due to alot of left wing people migrating from twitter and the likes, idk it’s just something I’ve noticed and wanted to mention
Yeah. I don’t usually mind either too much. I think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here. Most lefties I find on here are cool, though.
think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here.
Are you and the other mods aware that you can see who downvotes, and potentially ban systematic downvoters? That’s a topic that is regularly debated, but I guess in your case it could be useful?
I’ll take a look when I get the chance
MAGAhats are exactly the same as those who defend loli. Just ask Trump and Epstein.
I think it’s completely fair to downvote Christian fundamentalists.
You literally have “nazi” in your username.
Sounds like you’re drunk up on strawmen
yeah but we’ve seen with other social media platforms what happens when the conservatives come knockin’. Once the wave of conservative boomers and social outcasts comes it’s the end of the platform.
Couldn’t be further from the truth.
The fediverse is likely to split off into different sections. Some will allow people to say what they want, others won’t.
That’s due to algorithms
Isn’t the point of fediverse to provide an alternative to big tech where anyone can create an instance with their own rules? Its not really about having to be subject to everyones voice. Otherwise instances wouldn’t have the ability to defederate.
And people as they got more familiar to the fediverse started either running their own or choosing instances that aligned with what they’d like to see and not see. So I see this thread more as people expressing what they’d like their instance to do when it comes to defederating or federating.
And if values don’t align then people can switch to an instance that more closely does. So its less about voice, but having options to turn to compared to centralized sites where if you dislike the CEO, algorithm, or moderation policies there isn’t much you can do other than leaving, but in the process lose access to all content and interaction.
It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
It’ll be defederated and just create new echo chambers.
Not everyone kneejerks defederation in this case. A lot of places just defed csam
And what is that acronym stand for? There is no “kneejerk” when defederation, save for outright removing the instance, is the only sane method of kicking out fascists.
CSAM = child sexual abuse material
I’m not talking about fascists either. Why do americans always jump to conclusions
If enough free-speech instances get defederated, then it will be the ones defederating that are left with an echo chamber.
A perfectly valid point. We always have to protect ourselves from the barbarians at the gate anyway.
If particular instances like blahaj.zone or beehaw wish to defederate them, that makes sense. But if they aren’t botting/spamming or doing things that are illegal, I don’t see a point in defederating.
or doing things that are illegal, I don’t see a point in defederating
How about when they are pushing the right to exist for marginalized groups? Or promoting forced relocations of people, without due process?
I was going to say this. I’m not even from the United States btw. That’s just how the fediverse and federation works.
Yeah. The fediverse will end up having stuff we don’t like on it. What matters is that people are using it.
Well this instance has already been heavily defederated.
Do we know who defederated them?
Piefed.social has. I imagine blahaj and dbzer0 and many left-leaning instances.
Blahaj and dbzer0 makes sense tbh. They’re kinda ideological safe spaces. All power to them.
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Let’s not paradox of tolerance this place into a Nazi bar
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I’m not talking about Nazis here
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Oh you aren’t talking about the instance this post is about?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I have yet to find a trump supporter that was a nazi. In fact, the cases where I found a nazi, they hated trump for being a zionist
lohky@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They sure are.