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• WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “Spontaneous” is actually the correct word to use here, using its definition in statistical mechanics.

  Here’s an example: …pressbooks.tru.ca/…/5-6/

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨52⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Yes, I already said it is correct when viewing it as spwcific water boiling.

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  • Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This should have been the correct answer to Kev, and not that thing about mansplaining.

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    • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think would’ve even worked in a reference to “it is Kev’s turn to study statistical mechanics.”

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• dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This post isn’t showcasing mansplaining. It’s showcasing pedantry.

  Just like this comment!

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Yes, that’s the point. I’m explaining a very pedanticpoint, ofc that requires ample amounts of pedantry.

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• Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Spontaneous doesn’t mean “happens suddenly without explanation” what are you on about?

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• porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Wrong, wrong, wrong.

  Eh, it definitely has a cause. A known one.

  Nothing to do with the physical definition of spontaneity. Spontaneity of a process just means that the ∆G is negative or total energy of the system is lower after the process, and additional energy isn’t required for the process to be thermodynamically allowed.

  for the sole reason which specific molecules is nigh impossible to predict

  Also unrelated, but it is fully impossible to predict, since in trying to predict it well enough you reach quantum scales where everything is probabilistic. That doesn’t at all mean everything is spontaneous.

  So, who is correct depends entirely on the mental framing of what someone thinks of when they read “water”.

  Nope, the first person is strictly correct and the second is strictly incorrect, as described above.

  Water as an abstract idea of a specific type of fluid? Not spontaneous.

  Nope, exactly spontaneous. You could even forget about water entirely and model this just as a bunch of nuclei and electrons in a box and derive that the lowest energy state has them being in a gas of atoms, and the initial state doesn’t, which is enough to demonstrate by our earlier statements that boiling is spontaneous.

  Water as in what will literally happen to the bottle of water in the picture?

  This is “not even wrong” territory.

  This post isn’t showcasing mansplaining.

  It absolutely is. We will define mansplaining here as the confidently correct dismissal of statements of women by men where we suspect that the genders of the participants may play a role.

  The first part has been demonstrated above. It is also reasonable to assume the second given that we observe this happening to women at a far greater frequency than to men. Although, like with atoms, we cannot prove that this individual instance is a direct result, it is consistent with the probabilistic data and we would need additional evidence to conclude that this particular guy just goes around wrongly correcting everyone equally.

  Nearly valid pedantry at that.

  Once again, not remotely.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨51⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Nah you just ron’t understand language or pedantry.

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  • Deme@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well said.

    I think you may have meant to say “confidently incorrect dismissal” in your definition of mansplaining.

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    • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh, good catch, thanks

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• Megamanexent@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I agree, it really is showcasing pedantry. That man is just an asshole, not a misogynistic asshole. To me, this thread is full of confirmation bias. People who want to see what they personally believe, not objective reality.

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• lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Everything has a cause.

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  • Iheartcheese@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Even your face

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• oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  While you are technically correct, you also misunderstand who the target audience is and what language is required to actually make people understand.

  When speaking to a normal person you don’t want to slap random jargon and care too much about precise definitions. So in that context spontaneous is a great word to describe what is happening. People without deep backgrounds in the field will not understand technical jargon and it will only make them not pay attention.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨49⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    No, I’m explaining the pedantry, not agreeing with it.

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  • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Spontaneous is actually the thermodynamic jargon in this case though :)

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• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I'd still say it's spontaneous because when you reduce pressure you're removing a factor rather than adding one. It's like saying "when you compress a spring and then remove the compression force, it will spontaneously return to its previous length." Water vapor can be seen as water's "natural" state when thero no pressure forcing it to be a liquid. Also saying "simple thermo" to an astronaut is definitely mansplaining, because it implies the other person doesn't know that simple thermo.

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• ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Hahaha, under that definition not spontaneous can ever occur

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨37⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    No, many things in chemistry are functionally spontaneous.

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• BussyGyatt@feddit.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  no

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Yes. Pedantry doesn’t make the guy more correct. He’s still being an ass. I’m not agreeing with him. So the fact you still don’t understand is a bit… sad for you. Do you treat autistic people like shit because they don’t operate on social norms and the most common understandings of statements?

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• dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s not an external cause. It boils on its own, because the molecules don’t want to be close together.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Pressure almost by definition is external influence…

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• Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You should be an astronaut

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