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SufferingSteve@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

There once was a dream of the semantic web, also known as web2. The semantic web could have enabled easy to ingest information of webpages, removing soo much of the computation required to get the information. Thus preventing much of the air crawling cpu overhead.

What we got as web2 instead was social media. Destroying facts and making people depressed at a newer before seen rate.

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

What crypto gave us was fraud, expensive jpgs and scams. The term web is now even so eroded that it has lost much of its meaning. The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.

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Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Capitalism is grand, innit. Wait, not grand, I meant to say cancer

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- Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I feel like half of the blame capitalism gets is valid, but the other half is just society. I don’t care what kind of system you’re under, you’re going to have to deal with other people.
  
  Oh, and if you try the system where you don’t have to deal with people, that just means other people end up handling you.
  
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  - amju_wolf@pawb.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    In this case it is purely fault of the money incentive though. Noone would spend so much effort and computation power on AI if they didn’t think it could make them money.
    
    The funniest part is though that it’s only theoretical anyway, everyone is only losing on it and they’re most likely never gonna make it back.
    
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  - kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It matters a lot though what kind of goal the system incentivises. Imagine if it was people’s happiness and freedom instead of quarterly profits.
    
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    nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Imagine if it was people’s happiness and freedom instead of quarterly profits
    
    Whose happiness and freedom?
    
    How is it to be measured?
    
    Capitalists honestly believe that free trade is the best albeit flawed way to do both of the above
    
    It’s definitely valid to disagree about point #3, but then you need to give a better model for #1 and #2
    
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    Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s the part people never really seem to understand. It makes sense though because we’re subjected to the system from birth and it’s all a lot of people know so they can’t grasp the idea of a world outside of that so it can sometimes be difficult to get through to people on that
    
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  - nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I would give this reddit gold
    
    Instant easy complaints help-i’m-oppressed-by-Capitalism today sound an awful lot like the instant easy complaints help-i’m-oppressed-by-Communism I used to hear from rednecks
    
    Ask someone who starved & dies under either system how obviously superior it is
    
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    null@lemmy.nullspace.lol ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Also consider that Socialism is totally legal under Capitalism. Want to start a co-op? Go for it. Want to legislate and implement socialized healthcare? Many Capitalist countries have.
    
    Under Communism, Capitalism must be illegal and stamped out by force. Want to start a business making shoes and hire someone to work for an agreed upon wage? Illegal.
    
    When the goal involves guaranteeing positive rights, I’m not sure how it can be achieved without coercion.
    
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    0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What if i’m being repressed instead?
    
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  - null@lemmy.nullspace.lol ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The neat part is that anything bad that happens under capitalism is capitalism’s fault, but anything good that happens is actually socialism happening in spite of capitalism, somehow.
    
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    Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Could you give some examples?
    
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  - Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Could you clarify on what you mean with “dealing with people”? I’m not really sure the point you’re trying to make with that
    
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    Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The complaint that got blamed on capitalism was:
    
    The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.
    
    and if there’s one entity/person most responsible for that, it’s Putin or the GOP. Most of it is political, and very little to do with capitalism itself. Except that capitalism surrounds and is intertwined with everything.
    
    Still, if you get rid of capitalism, it doesn’t get rid of politics. I’d argue that the root of the issue is the GOP trying to hoard power (money and otherwise), and power is going to exist with or without capitalism. Is North Korea capitalist? Do they have issues with disinfo?
    
    This Christian Sharia Law movement doesn’t exist for money.
    
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tourist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

It’s ironic that the middlemen showed up anyway and busted all the security of those transfers

You want some bipcoin to buy weed drugs on the slip road? Don’t bother figuring out how to set up that wallet shit, come to our nifty token exchange where you can buy and sell all kinds of bipcoins

oh btw every government on the planet showed up and dug through our insecure records. hope you weren’t actually buying shroom drugs on the slip rod

also we got hacked, you lost all your bipcoins sorry

At least, that’s my recollection of events. I was getting my illegal narcotics the old fashioned way.

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- raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  also we got hacked, you lost all your bipcoins sorry
  
  aaaaaaaaand - it’s gone!
  
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- Chee_Koala@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  the old fashioned way.
  
  A whole swath of trained toads using a special made tube network?
  
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  - tourist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    getting into a car with a stranger who said he was 15 minutes away two hours ago
    
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    jjlinux@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You were there too? 😜
    
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    prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Holy shit do I not miss that lifestyle
    
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  - 0x0@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Swallows actually.
    
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  - Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Nah, they clearly meant in liquid form.
    
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    very_well_lost@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Liquid narcotics, you say?
    
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- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  You want some bipcoin to buy weed drugs on the slip road? Don’t bother figuring out how to set up that wallet shit, come to our nifty token exchange where you can buy and sell all kinds of bipcoins
  
  Maybe I’m slow today, but what is this referencing? Most dark web sites use Monero. Is there some centralized token that people use instead?
  
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  - nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Monero
    
    Satoshi was right and Crypto absolutely has valid use cases. What if your government doesn’t want you accessing meds you need at prices you can afford? What if your government doesn’t like your sexual orientation, but you want a subscription to a dating site? What if your government throws up unjust export controls or tariffs that suddenly make you and your business impossible?
    
    Crypto’s best killer use case is uncensorable, untraceable money
    
    Bitcoin is neither of those things. There is a reason people buy heroin with Monero. It actually does what crypto is supposed to do, which means it could safeguard your Grindr XTRA subscription.
    
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    prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah Monero is just cool, tech-wise
    
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  - WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I think it refers to custudial wallets and that it’s hard to obtain the useful coins without a KYC exchange (that also most often works as a custudial wallet).
    
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muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Sound like it went the same way everything else went. The less money is involved the more trustworthy it is.

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GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Mr. Internet, tear down these walls! (for all these walled gardens)

Return the internet to the wild. Let it run feral like dinosaurs on an island.

Let the grannies and idiots stick themselves in the reservations and asylums run by billionaires.

Let’s all make Neocities pages about our hobbies and dirtiest, innermost thoughts. With gifs all over.

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- Furbag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I’m down with that. Web 1.5? Let’s do it. I’ll get my Geocities page up and then we can rev up that hit counter.
  
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  - mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    homestarrunner.com/toons/backtoawebsite
    
    “Lemme get that hit counter!”
    
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NeilBru@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The Simulacrum

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kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen

I don’t think it ever was that, I think folding ideas has the best explanation of what it was meant to be, it was meant to be a way to grab power, away from those who already have it

youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g

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vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Much drama.

I agree about semantic web, but the issue is with all of the Internet. Both its monopoly as the medium of communication, and its architecture.

And if we go semantic for webpages, allowing the clients to construct representation, then we can go further, to separate data from medium, making messages and identities exist in a global space, as they (sort of, need a better solution) do in Usenet.

About the Internet itself being the problem - that’s because it’s hierarchical, despite appearances, and nobody understands it well. Especially since new systems of this kind are not being built often, to say the least, so the majority of people using the Internet doesn’t even think about it as a system. It takes it for given that this is the only paradigm for the global network. And that it’s application-neutral, which may not be true.

20 years ago, when I was a kid, people would think and imagine all kinds of things about the Internet and about the future and about ways all this can break, and these were normal people, not tech types, and one would think with time we wouldn’t become more certain, as it becomes bigger and bigger.

OK, I’m just having an overvalued idea that the Internet is poisoned. Bad sleep, nasty weather, too much sweets eaten. Maybe that movement of packets on the IP protocol can somehow give someone free computation, with enough machines under their control, by using counters in the network stack as registers, or maybe something else.

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hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Preach!

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