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Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

“The greatest RPG ever made?” Not even close. Why do titles need to be this hyperbolic?

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undeffeined@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think your “not even close” statement is hyperbolic. Disco Elysium has very positive reviews in most if not all review outlets and won Game of The Year award in 2019. You can personally think its not a good RPG but saying its nowhere close is very hyperbolic.

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  But “best RPG” though? There are tons of RPGs that won “Game of the Year”, and when people talk about iconic RPGs, Disco Elysium is rarely the one mentioned. Most people will claim Chrono Trigger, Morrowind (or Skyrim I guess), or one of the Final Fantasies (usually 6, 7, or 8). Look up any list of top RPGs and it probably won’t crack the top 10.
  
  That doesn’t mean it’s a bad game, but “best RPG” is a pretty crowded field that rarely includes Disco Elysium.
  
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  - Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨56⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    Disco Elysium is not a fantasy themed monster slaying adventure game. It’s a detective game of narrative psychological exploration that uses RPG mechanics.
    
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TheSambassador@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Because it’s an opinion article and maybe it’s OK for the author to make an subjective statement of the quality of a thing they love? Like, if they really believe it, is it wrong to state that? Do they need to qualify everything in their article with “this is just my opinion, sorry if you don’t agree.”

I get being annoyed by hyperbole in articles, but I don’t really think that this warrants this kind of response. Sometimes it’s OK to make strong statements. You can make statements like that without implying that people who think differently are bad/wrong.

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- Jimbabwe@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Sometimes it’s OK to make strong statements.
  
  How fucking dare you
  
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  - P1nkman@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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- Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  If it was an RPG that was even close to contending for that title, I would acquiesce to it. As it stands, I think the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Personal taste is personal taste, and that’s fine, but if you’re going to make bold claims like this, you should have to be burdened with the duty of backing it up. I don’t accept that this reporter’s personal opinion matters more than the RPG fans’ opinions as a whole. For them to make such a bold claim on such a public forum means they need to provide substantial evidence for it.
  
  Let’s get back to basics though: this was a bold statement done in an article title to get clicks. You can tell talk till sunrise about a person’s right to have their own opinion, but this isn’t really what’s going on. This is a journalist making a hyperbolic statement to get clicks. Fuck them. Fuck them and their marketing strategy. Tell me it’s not exactly that: a marketing strategy. Tell me it’s not a ploy to bolster the author’s career. Tell me there’s something substantial underneath this that warrants serious attention, rather than a click-bait article that’s meant to incite anger and garner clicks that way. How much does your contention that this reflects a genuine opinion stand up to the idea that it’s just a cheap attention grab?
  
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  - rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Why did this incite anger in you?
    
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    Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    I suppose because it’s insulting to the fact that there are good games out there that actually deserve attention.
    
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  - p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    If it was an RPG that was even close to contending for that title, I would acquiesce to it.
    
    Except it is. And I don’t think the burden of proof is on the article writer, when culturally, it’s just accepted that it is either the greatest RPG, or one of the greatest RPGs. Maybe you didn’t like it, but that doesn’t invalidate the facts of how high people regard this game.
    
    It’s not some damned marketing strategy. It’s sitting at 91 on MetaCritic (even after all of the backlash about ZA/UM), won Game of the Year for many many outlets, and any individual who has played it all the way through will either call it the greatest RPG they ever played, or one of the greatest RPGs.
    
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    SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    No no, you don’t get it. Every single person in the world must love it for it to be the greatest game. Until that day, they’re just pretenders.
    
    /s
    
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FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Because it riles up the nerds.

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TacoSocks@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Out of curiosity, what are some games that you consider contenders for greatest RPG?

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- sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not OP, but:
  
  Chrono Trigger
  
  Morrowind (or maybe Skyrim)
  
  Final Fantasy (esp. 6 and 7)
  
  Baldur’s Gate (esp. 3)
  
  Pillars of Eternity
  
  Fallout (esp. New Vegas)
  
  The Witcher (esp. 3)
  
  World of Warcraft (not my jam, but it’s insanely popular)
  
  There are a ton more, especially if you broaden the definition to sub-genres to include Diablo 2, TLoZ games (esp. Ocarina of Time and Breath of the Wild), and Dark Souls.
  
  There are just so many bangers.
  
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- Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Xenogears. Just off the top of my head.
  
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  - p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That was made 25 years ago. And just off the top of my head, Xenosaga surpassed it.
    
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    RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Just because an RPG was made 25 years ago that does not automatically make it bad lol
    
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    rozodru@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    well to say Xenosaga surpassed it…I mean that’s not hard to do.
    
    Xenogears is great but keep in mind it’s not finished. the entire second disc is proof of this. It’s an unfinished game that is regarded as one of the greatest RPG’s of all time. Same with Xenosaga. that’s an unfinished series. so to say Xenosaga surprassed it…well yeah it got further along than Xenogears did.
    
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  - ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Get in the fucking robot, ~~Shinji~~ Fei
    
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- jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Western - Ultima IV
  Eastern - Phantasy Star II
  
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  - TacoSocks@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Damn, RPGs peaked in the 80s for you. What did these games do right that nothing has done better since?
    
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    Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Exist when they cared enough so that nothing can ever surpass the nostalgia of the game, regardless of quality.
    
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    jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The story and engagement. Ultima IV let you talk to literally every NPC in the game, everyone had a name and a job and something to say.
    
    Phantasy Star II was essentially ripped off for Final Fantasy VII to the point where from the minute they introduced Aerith I was like “Well, shit, better not give HER anything I want to keep, she’s dead 1/2 way through the game.” (That was Nei in PSII).
    
    To be clear, those are just the first two off the top of my head, there were other excellent, excellent RPGs.
    
    I really liked the gold box D&D games from SSI - Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades. They don’t hold up well now due to all being turn based RPGs. There is a Steam Collection of ALL of that.
    
    Speaking of, before Fallout, there was Wasteland which has had a modern reboot and sequel. Also a great game that had copy protection built into a story book full of backstory paragraphs.
    
    For JRPGs, it’s hard to go wrong with Suikoden 1 and 2, recently re-released on PS5, drop dead gorgeous RPGs.
    
    I’ve played probably hundreds of RPGs since the start.
    
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RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
The article author has never played a good RPG before, clearly.

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