Comment on Switzerland plans surveillance worse than US

percent@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You’ve not heard of shady banking, Nazi gold, reluctance to stop dealing with Russia, women not being able to vote until the 70s, and Nestle?

  Switzerland gets aggressively simped for online, and there’s certainly some nice things about them, but there’s also some pretty awful things.

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  • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Those are all very bad, but on the other hand their flag is a bug plus.

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s also a big red flag.

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    • lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      But on the minus side, it’s a cross

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      • _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        on the minus side we have austria

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  • Jason2357@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah, the whole “private banking” history thing the EFF seems to lionize in the article was 100% just for serving lucrative international robber barrons and other criminals. It was never about protecting regular citizens privacy.

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  • Birch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hold up now! I’ll have you know in some parts of the country women couldn’t vote until the 90s! Also unmarried cohabitation was illegal in some cantons until the 80s and paternity leave as a concept only exists in Switzerland since the 00s.

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    • Crashumbc@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      US is still lacking that last item…

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  • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I think someone like you, Grand Nagus, would admire the Swiss over most of that ;)

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  • percent@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I meant current times, not in the past. Sorry, I assumed that would be obvious. There are also some things I like about Germany, though they have a pretty terrible past.

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    • HereIAm@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The Nazi gold is still very much a thing. And the descendants of Jewish people who died in concentration camps are often unsuccessful in reclaiming any wealth that was stored in Swiss banks, because they don’t have death certificates and what not. Switzerland is incredibly stubborn and selfish when it comes to anything that would tarnish their neutral stance in banking and politics.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Nazi gold didn’t disappear after the Nazis fell. They still pocketed it all, despite knowing where all that wealth came from, and did fuck all to help rebuild Europe.

      Other things like their appeasing attitude towards Russia, reluctance to allow weapons exports to Ukraine, and willingness to export weapons to awful regimes are all unambiguously current.

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      • percent@infosec.pub ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Huh. They don’t sound very neutral on the weapons stuff. TIL 😕

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Strong means attractive. Not getting pummeled in WWII and making some profits, being complicit in some crimes (turning back Jews), and in general being on top for many decades make you look strong.

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  • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    My theory is that if you’re cute you’re socially protected and the same applies to states and countries. Switzerland is quite the nice place and there are cultural hubs of historical importance, so it has the cute look now doesn’t it.

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  • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Reluctance to stop dealing with Russia is a single positive in the list.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Oh look, one of Lemmy’s many resident tankies.

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      • eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh look, another one who’s brain has been melted by propaganda.

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• themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  There’s a reason every billionair has a bank account in Switzerland.

  And it’s not to pay more taxes. Or to launder less money.

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  • jobbies@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What this says is billionaires are entitled to privacy to hoard their $$$ but nobody else is for everyday life.

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• MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For a more extreme example, look to the Principality of Monaco. Being so much smaller, it can be much more extreme.

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