Comment on ‘The vehicle suddenly accelerated with our baby in it’: the terrifying truth about why Tesla’s cars keep crashing

• JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have a Sprinter van with lane assist for cross country travel. As obnoxious as it is 99% of the time, it has come in clutch a few times when I started to get drowsy and drifted off my lane.

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  • Atropos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hear you, but a 99% chance of being obnoxious isn’t a great review.

    I think I’ll just stick to not driving when tired.

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    • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s easier said than done. You can’t judge your own behavior when impaired because you are impaired. By the time you are aware you are that tired, you’ve already been impaired for a long time.

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      • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You absolutely can judge your own behavior when you are impaired, I have done that plenty of times and decided that I needed a break when driving plenty of times.

        The issue is that you are a worse judge of your own behavior when impaired, so you need to take that into account

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      • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I apparently have the uncanny ability of being able to sense when I am drowsy. Call up the X-Men

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For sure, but when you are driving cross-country you sometimes do not have a choice because there is nowhere to stop.

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      • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Guess I’ll just drive off the road then!”

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      • Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Unless there’s a safety concern, there’s always the side of the road. I drive 2 lane backwoods roads periodically, and it’s not uncommon to see a car pulled a bit off the road with no visible driver’s seat.

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  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yikes. Chew gum, pinch the lobe of your ear, take a nap.

    Your anecdote terrifies me that people may be relying on this shit when they are overtired.

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Driving when tired enough to drift out of your lane multiple times?

    You shouldn’t have a license.

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    • stoy@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I suddenly got very tired today when driving, and noticed my car drifting out of lane as I was unfocused, I was far from home, didn’t have any snacks or anything.

      Luckily I found a place to park soon after, pulled over, and rested for 20 min or so.

      Tiredness can come sudden, it doesn’t mean you should loose your license as long as you can deal with it in a safe manner.

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      • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If it happens to someone multiple times and they treat lane assist as a crutch then they are not safe to drive on the road.

        The best part is they followed up with this gem so I know they didn’t pull over like you did:

        For sure, but when you are driving cross-country you sometimes do not have a choice because there is nowhere to stop.

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      • Zirconium@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ve had tiredness come around everytime I try to drive West around 3:30-5:00 when the sun is around setting is the perfect time where it just hits me and the traffic slows to a crawl were the last 10 miles are just hitting myself until I get to class and then Im suddenly fully awake.

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  • danekrae@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it has come in clutch a few times when I started to get drowsy and drifted off my lane.

    Respect for sharing your mistakes.

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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      it has come in clutch a few times

      Massive disrespect for not learning a thing.

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  • watson387@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My 2023 Subaru has lane assist. It was absolutely obnoxious so I turned it off.

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    • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It turns itself back on every time you restart the van.

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• vithigar@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve never had any issue with the lane assist in my Mitsubishi. It’s absolutely built as an “assist” and not something that will actually try to take control from you. It’s trivial to “overpower” it manually and turn out of your lane without signaling if that’s what you want to do, but does a perfectly reasonable job of steering on its own when left to its own devices.

  That said, I wouldn’t be driving a vehicle new enough to have the feature yet either if I hadn’t been rear ended a couple of years ago and had my 2012 Lancer written off. :(

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I quite like lane assist in the 2019 Honda I drive, even though it gets it wrong occasionally. It will not function unless it detects that you’re providing some steering input of your own, and it’s easy to override just by steering the way you want to go. That and cruise control are handy on the highway and have worked well for in 6 years.

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  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So it does move the wheel under your hands? That’s just gross to me. I guess maybe I should rent a car with it and give it a shot but I don’t think I’ll like it.

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    • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I rented a Hyundai Elantra. Yes, the wheel will move under your hand. Yes, it has hand detection, which is probably trivial to spoof. When I used it, winter had just ended and li especially on the road weren’t always clear, so it would occasionally disable itself. Trying to change lanes without signals isn’t terrible, but certainly won’t happen by accident.

      I would by no means rely on this, or recommend relying on it, just like I wouldn’t recommend relying on blind spot detection, but they can be handy aids to improve your overall driving, and can help catch your mistakes.

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      • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Does it pull the wheel when you’re trying to change lanes?

        I see the blind spot detection on other people’s mirrors when I pass them and that looks cool as fuck but what happens the instant it fails? If I’m reliant on it and it breaks one day am I going to mistakenly merge into another driver’s right of way?

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    • vithigar@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When cruise control is on, yes, but it’s extremely gentle. The slightest bit of resistance from the driver will overpower it.

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      • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I should try this stuff and then see which of those cars I can disable the tracking antennas

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• RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I liked lane assist. It’s kind of like the Playstation triggers haptic feedback. It just makes the wheel slightly stiff as you near a line, but it’s very passive.

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  • Malfeasant@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m sure it depends on the implementation… I turned it off on my Kia Sorento after it tried to follow the seams in the concrete instead of the lane markings, I had to fight it quite hard.

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• invertedspear@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think Ford does a good job of offering the features and tech, but not making them required. Even their EVs have settings that can mimic a gas driving experience. Be a Luddite trust what you trust. But don’t pigeon hole your acceptable years of manufacture.

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• flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My wife had a rental for a trip she and my daughter were going on for a gymnastics event and I got to drive it back from the rental place and it had lane assist.

  Every time another car passed in the opposite lane the damn thing would try and jerk in the opposite direction of that car, sometimes almost running itself off the road into the ditch.

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  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s horrible

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• absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Drove a few cars with “lane hold” and it’s infuriating to have to suddenly correct the car’s trajectory at every curve because it misjudges the road line. Some cars are worse than others but it was literally the first thing I disabled every time. I wonder how truck drivers feel about it. Do modern trucks even have this?

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  • gnu@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Closest I’ve come in a truck is an annoyingly loud alert for everything the computer reckoned was an issue and that was painful enough. Every time I’d drive it it’d be blaring the alarm for some reason or another and if it had been a long term company truck instead of a rental I probably would have ended up removing the speaker.

    For example the lane departure warning would fire off every time you moved over to not run into someone parked on the side of the road, the close distance warning would fire off regularly when people merged in front of you, and if it was windy it’d set off an alarm to let you know the truck was being blown around when driving. Could be useful if you’re mentally challenged or blind but that sort of thing is just going to annoy anyone who isn’t. You couldn’t even turn the alarms off properly - you could go through the deliberately prolonged procedure to turn them off temporarily but then they come back again every time you start the truck.

    I’ve driven an SUV with lane keep assist and it would pull at the wheel trying to follow lane markings that were outdated or ones it just made up, I hope that particular bit of ‘safety’ tech doesn’t make it to any truck I have to drive.

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  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t know what professional truckers have for “assist” but I’m sure they resist it. “I’m a professional fucking driver! I don’t want this shit.”

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• Almacca@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve got a 2008 manual. It doesn’t even have cruise control. It’s perfect. I’m keeping it as long as I possibly can.

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  • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    '96 and '05 pickup trucks I keep flogging along for work, '05 SUV that’s owned by my wife. They aren’t going to last forever but I’m going to try.

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    • Almacca@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m helping by using it a little as possible.

      I like electric cars well enough for their simplicity and acceleration. It’s all the other computerised gubbins they hang off them that I dislike, and Teslas are the worst for that.

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• bradboimler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As a pedestrian I trust waymos more than human drivers

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