Not having a headphone jack is just a slap in the face from a company whose whole image is supposed to be longevity.
Panties@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
No earphone jack again. That’s a bit sad. Even though I mainly use BLT earbuds, I still sometimes wish I could use my wired headphones. It’s just a small inconvenience
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Auth@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No one has been using aux cable mobile headphones for the past 10 years. Headphone jack is e-waste at this point. bluetooth audio is great and if you really want to be a boomer you can use the usb C headphones.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Headphone jack is e-waste
you can use the usb C headphones
What the absolute fuck are you talking about? What am I supposed to do with the dozen wired headphones I already have? Some of them decades old? Throw them in the garbage? Sounds real eco-friendly.
bluetooth audio is great
It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.
Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes if they’ve lasted decades thats their job done. Now people are buying usb C headphones and there is no need to continue to support decades old standards. The ewaste from a pair of headphones is tiny so its not worth fretting over.
Also BT headphones last longer than 2 years. Mine are 1st gen samsung buds and going on 5 years at this point and still hold enough charge to listen to music during my work day. If im going to be using them all day I have 1 in and 1 charging in the case and then I can easily have music for 10+ hours on a 5 year old device. If I threw them away today I would consider them to have not been ewaste.
Dremor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Problem is BT headphones last 2 years then they go in the garbage because the batteries are dead. How eco-friendly is that!?
My 7 years old bluetooth headphone would disagree.
It is. We had it on phones since before the original iPhone. No one wants to take that away.
And no one except a vocal minority want to keep it. There are a lot on data on that, and manufacturer make their decision on that data.
But lets ignore that, and let’s take my viewpoint as a customer. I don’t want a port I have no use for. I don’t want a DAC I have no use for. I don’t want the extra weight that comes with them.
My needs conflict with yours, so what’s the only way to make both of us somewhat happy? That’s by making the 3.5mm jack an addon, which is what any manufacturer that does not focus on music listening would do.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks ago
You can use your dozen wired headphones you already have with a $10 usb-c -> 3.5mm adapter.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
how else are you supposed to connect it to cars that weren’t made yesterday?
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cars have had bluetooth and usb on their radios for almost 20 years. Even older than that you can replace the stereo for like $30. My car is 2004 and i did a stereo replacement and i’ve got bluetooth, usb C and aux.
Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I never use wired headphones even though I have a jack in my phone. But I have never bought a phone without a jack and probably never will.
Ipersonally think it’s user hostile to remove the jack and also goes directly agains the green profile Fairphone wants to have.
lobut@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I was just hoping a phone like fairphone would give me the option to buy a small module or something to let me do it.
Yes, yes there’s adapters … yes, yes, you don’t need to use it … I understand. I just want it.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
You'd ultimately be sacrificing battery size for that Aux jack you hardly use. For most that's not worth it
lobut@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I mean … you don’t have to tell me that my opinion isn’t popular, it’s demonstrable. My opinion is statistically insignificant.
There’s a plethora of other things I’d give up like have a slighter bigger phone or a worse camera or wireless charging… I’d also trade those for an SD card slot but no one agrees with me and it’s just something I need to live with.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Not really, no. There are even people that have been able to ADD a headphone jack to iphones that don’t have one.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
“Modularity” but still no headphone jack, couldn’t I just have a backplate with a big bump on it to accommodate a 3.5mm jack?
foggenbooty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Big? The headphone jack is not large enough to protrude from a cell phone chassis. Any company telling you they can’t fit it is just lying to sell you BT headphones.
ggwithgg@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
You have these usb-c to mini jack adapters. They are like 5 to 10eu. They are small enough to keep them attached to your jack headphone. It works perfectly for me.
I think it is better to view the usb-c plug as ‘one protocol to rule them all’. If you do so, it makes quite some sense.
brotundspiele@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Every adapter I had was broken after a year or less. I imagine if you keep them attached to your phone, they’ll break even faster. Do these adapters exist with a 90° angle which might help preventing broken cables?
Not really in the spirit of reducing waste.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I’ve never had one of those actually work…
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The sound quality on them blows no matter which you get.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Honestly, I don't really get the people who complain about the lack of 3.5mm jack on a smartphone. If you're looking for quality you're more likely to get better quality out quality USB-C headphones than quality 3.5mm headphones due to the USB-C headphones picking up less noise and having its own DAC (which is probably better than the phone DAC that 3.5mm would use).
Mihies@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
What about the simplicity?
Goodeye8@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I don't follow? If you mean simplicity in terms of ease of use you might as well use BT headphones as you don't have to worry about any wire management. Ease of use is the main reason BT headphones are the go to for most people. No carefully packing the wires so it won't break, no accidental wiring mess or anything wire related. You just turn them on (which for most in-ear ones just means taking them out of the case), stick them to your ear and you're good to go.
If you meant anything else by simplicity you need to expand that idea.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I never have to charge my wired headphones.
Mihies@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
In addition to @timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works: I don’t need pairing, I don’t have to deal with bad reception, it’s harder to loose wired ones and even if I loose them, new ones cost a fraction of bt ones. Also I still have some wired ones. The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
You are completely and utterly wrong. I’m pretty sure that a $700 phone’s dac is better than what you can find on a $5 dongle from god knows where. Also, by design there should be no “noise” or “interference” causing issues with the internal dac. If there is, you bought an extremely shitty device.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You know you've got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.
First of all, I seriously doubt any $700 phone without a 3.5mm port is going to have a decent DAC, because there's no reason for it. In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls. If those phones had a a 3.5mm port and they were flagship phones then maybe they would have higher quality DACs in them, but then they'd also cost more. And secondly, I wasn't talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.
Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone’s argument about the dongles is that they’re super cheap, that’s why I made the comparison.
In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.
Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you’re doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?
I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones
headphone =/= dongle
The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What’s the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it’s ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
For the amount of space a earphone jack takes it really doesn't make sense for them to include it, when you can just use a cheap adaptor cable
Ross_audio@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“For the amount of space it takes to include a second speaker or second camera it doesn’t really make sense when you can just plug in an external one”
You sound like an idiot.
I can buy a phone from HMD that’s more repairable, more modular, and has sustainable features.
Fairphone has been a busted flush since they ditched the headphone jack. It’s just the most obvious sign amongst many they started making landfill phones.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Resorting to insults really?
3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.
It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.
More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.
visikde@lemmings.world 3 weeks ago
Having yet another thing to keep charged
a usb port is far easier to break
I hate earbuds, I want my same old over the ear $15 sony headphones that last for yearsBT is just another thing to fuss with for no apparent benefit, I have an assortment of BT crap that won’t connect consistently.
Whatever convenience BT might offer is negated by the time wasted learning the intricacies of the ever changing APPs [software]Ross_audio@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Still an idiot.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
just make the phone larger and fill the empty space with battery
wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Honestly feels criminal with how bloated companies have made these phones yet they cheap out on a headphone jack.
danc4498@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Probably not a popular thing to say on here, but I think you’ve lost the battle for the earphone jack. It probably just requires way too much real estate to be practical on a modern day cell phone.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Exactly this, that's a lot of space taken up to connect what 4 analog wires?
That's insanity when a AUX to Usb-C converter does the job
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
USB-C requires a lot of space for charging, data transfer etc.
Let’s remove it too and make phones rely on wireless charging instead.
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
It absolutely does not require too much space. And you can still buy phones with headphone jacks, just not any of the (ironically) higher end models because OEMs know they can push their first party bluetooth headphones to these customers.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
It absolutely does not. That’s just the stupid propaganda companies distribute to make people buy wireless earbuds.
Laser@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
I had a phone without before, that one came with a simple cheap passive adapter for USB-C to 3.5mm headset. You lose out on using headphones while charging, but other than that I was never really inconvenienced…
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I disagree about this being a good solution. USB-C is not meant to take the strain of being used as an audio port when being used in the go so there is risk of damaging the port while a headphone jack is more stable and allows the plug to rotate. Plus I don’t want to have a dingle I can forget when in a rush.
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They should make cases with the adapter built in, the way they used to (still do?) for external battery packs.
PrinzKasper@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Just have the dongle permanently attached to your earbuds like it’s a part of the cable.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Awesome solution. Remove the por that everything used to have and make consumers buy adapters. I have like 5 headphones. Should I go buy an adapter for each one? Not to mention that I can easily replace a headphone cable but if a 3.5 to usb-c adapter breaks, it basically becomes junk.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
You also have to remember to have that adapter with you
Laser@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
An issue shared with the headphones themselves
Fermion@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
I just leave the adapter plugged into the headphones. Then there’s nothing extra to manage.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
If you need to plug the headphones into the adapter, you can just leave them plugged in after disconnecting from the phone
This way, the headphones almost become ones with USB-C connectors than auxiliary barrels.
HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You can find adapters that can charge while still having a 3.5mm back
hcbxzz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
fast charging / USB-PD may not work, and 3.5mm media controls may not pass through properly
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I have a tablet that came with a C to 3.5 adapter and it worked well enough for a bit but soon enough it was only intermittently allowing the headphone connection to work, with a message about the port being dirty or something. Yet I could go right from unplugging that and putting the charger in and it worked fine.
There’s just no substitute for a dedicated port, especially when it barely takes up any room
Panties@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
It’s really a small inconvenience, but using an adapter would mean I’d be prone to misplace it when I use my headphones on anything else, so it hardly makes anything better
Laser@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The reason for not using a headphone jack is making it simpler for the manufacturer, one less connector to handle which also limits how slim a phone can be.
I’m not saying this is good for the consumer, but there are reasons for integrating the functionality into the USB-C port.
shaggyb@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For $700 I’m not interested in compromising my own convenience for theirs.
hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
These points were all disproved long ago. The jack is a the same thickness as the display.
The reason is because BT headphones have a much higher margin, and need to be replaced every few years because of the battery (if not already replaced because they were lost or damaged).
It’s just a dumb cash grab.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
It’s not hard to manufacture a headphone jack. We’ve been doing it since the 80s. Probably costs them a penny BOM.
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
The headphone jack is 3.5mm. iPhones are ~7.5mm thick, more than double. The smallest phone available on the market is 4.2mm.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
That means the audio still goes through another DAC, lowering the sound quality, compared to an analog 3.5 jack. Also, who wants to further risk wearing out\vreaking their charge port, jack inputs almost seem like they can’t break.
potustheplant@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Technically it only goes through 1 dac, not “another one”. But still, yeah, your phone’s dac is most likely a lot better than the one on a $10 adapter. However, the usb-c spec does allow an analog audio signal passthrough. Whether that’s available or not depends on the phone I guess.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Too bad LG got out of the phone biz. They had the best dacs and some good phones.