Not good enough. Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer, then if at any point in the future, you remove it from the faraday cage, your entire movement logs are transmitted.
Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that’s what I do.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer
This is plainly false.
The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone’s MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.
There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.
masta_chief@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
You seem to know a lot about this. I’m just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?
tamman2000@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It will always be a matter of “for how long?”. Location from integrated acceleration is what we call a stiff problem. Meaning that any error is compounded as you continue to integrate (slight over simplification, but good enough for the point). There will never be a sensor that has zero error, so it’s just a question of how much integration you can do before the errors make the results unusable.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 days ago
I don’t think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.
The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don’t think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it’s kind of moot.
glitch1985@lemmy.world 3 days ago
“powered off”
Unless I’m holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don’t trust it being turned off either.
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The reason it being turned off matters is because LE has a significantly more difficult time extracting data from that state. And again, a proper faraday bag prevents signal leak.
You guys are welcome to do what you want, I’m just explaining the best way to stay safe if you don’t want to leave your phone at home. There are plenty of legitimate reasons someone may want one as a lifeline just in case.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
when a large, trump supporter corporation, with its main business being habit and environment tracking based personalized advertising, has so deep access to your phone as it literally builfs the operating system for it, maybe it is indeed already compromised.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I wouldn’t trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.
the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.
it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”
MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’m talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren’t going to get into your phone if it’s powered off.
There’s going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it’s not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you’re not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
I mean, a proper cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics…
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
A proper Faraday cage, a truly excellent one, just the most Faraday of all the cages, is easily defeated by physical attacks such as getting your phone cloned when you get mass arrested and summarily released on OR.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Faraday cage does not prevent gyroscopes and accelerometers from working. Then if you remove it from a faraday cage in the future, it will transmit all that movement
frezik@midwest.social 2 days ago
Since you’re posting this all over the thread, I’ll also have to repeat the information that gyro/accelerometers are not capable of doing that. Small measurement errors stack up and throw it completely off.
tamman2000@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Without GPS or tower based error correction any location prediction based on conservation of momentum in the phone will be useless before very long if the phone is moving.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Sounds theoretically possible I guess…