I wish they would tone down the crusade. This is some of the most interesting technology to come out in decades.
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Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I know everyone on Lemmy hates LLMs, but this is really interesting
SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s extremely useful for many things, if you know how to use it, and it’s annoying and useless for many others, which is what they fixate on and keep-jerk react to
4am@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It’s annoying that every middle manager is trying to become the hero of their company by pushing it inappropriately into every single field at the expense of productivity and jobs, while simultaneously the largest most powerful companies are slinging their SaaS solutions built on stolen data which are destroying communities of both the physical and hobby varieties and consuming more natural resources than all the fucking crypto scams of the last like 10 years
But yeah it’s neat I guess
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
it’s annoying that […] the largest most powerful companies are […] built on stolen [wealth], destroying communities […] and consuming more natural resources than [everyone else combined]
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My gf’s employer was going into administration last month. AI was surprisingly competent in determining where to seek advice and had a decent understanding of what to expect and how to approach things such as not getting paid on time (which happened last week).
Of course, we double and triple checked any information given to us with the relevant bodies, but it provided a little relief to go into something so chilling not being completely clueless.
AI has its use, but you have to know how to extract the information you need.
It’s stupid the way people are using it for therapy. Like, by all means ask it if it knows any organisations which can help you, then look those up, but don’t tell it a load of personal information about your relationship, because the reply will be something akin to the advice you see on r/relationships (which is probably where it scraped its data from) 😅
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 1 month ago
Judges are warning lawyers there will be sanctions if they kept using LLM to do their research as documents with fake references keep appearing.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And I wish they would tone down the hype. Maybe we can meet in the middle?
SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well, I do wish they would promote the actual use and limitations of AI and stop making up crap and overselling the use cases. I use ChatGPT at work all the time as a start for research, but if I took any of it as being reliable info to run with I would be in grave trouble. It is a great tool that has saved me much time because I know how far to trust it and how to use it. The progress is very impressive as I’ve been using AI art services for years, and the difference between the random blobs from back then and the great stuff it can generate now is pretty stark. Same thing with the LLMs. I’ve been using ChatGPT since it showed up and it has improved greatly since then. Before all this I talked to people who were using AI training on various picture recognition projects where getting data from other sensors was not practical. … Overall AI is pretty exciting, but the non-stop hype and hate headlines is doing nobody any favors.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is a “guns don’t kill people - people kill people” kind of scenario.
As a standalone thing, LLMs are awesome.
What sucks is greedy people using them for the wrong reasons.
It’s like robots. Playing with robots are awesome. Firing 1,000 people and replacing them with robots - and not sharing the benefits with the community sucks.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
As a standalone thing, LLMs are awesome.
They really aren’t though and that is half the problem. Everyone pretends they are awesome when the results are unusable garbage 80% of the time which makes them unusable for 99% of practical applications.
scrion@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Those numbers are baseless exaggerations. There are plenty of tasks which they solve perfectly, today. It’s just that a bunch of dicks operate them, and the cost of operating them are way too high.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
There are plenty of tasks which they solve perfectly, today.
Name a single task you would trust an LLM on solving for you that you feel confident would be correct without checking the output. Because that is my definition of perfectly and AI falls very, very far short of that.
balder1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s a bit too dismissive. I’ve had a lot of interesting chats with LLMs that led me to find out what I didn’t understand about soldering. As an example I’m reading a book explaining some practices of Structured Concurrency in Swift and many times I asked ChatGPT is the author is correct about some phrasing that seemed wrong to me. And ChatGPT was able to explain why that was right in that context.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They are essentially a fun toy for most people, and an ok tool for people with the patience and training to get useful output from them. And they cost an insane amount of money to train and an insane amount of power to run.
Not to mention the other cost of training them, the human emotional cost. And the human cost of running them.
It just costs so much of a variety of things, for an output that has barely made anything better. Maybe they might get “better” in the future, and have to get through this stage to get there, but I’ve also seen a lot of people saying they appear to be starting to plateau… maybe a temporary plateau, but if so, how temporary? Could we just drop it for 10 years and start back up when they won’t be as inefficient? Maybe a law that they have to pay for everything they feed it, would effectively cause them to only emerge at a time when they are actually feasible.
danzabia@infosec.pub 1 month ago
People who track performance (like METR, a nonprofit) indicate that progress is, if anything, speeding up. Most people’s use case is so simple they can’t detect the difference. However for cases like complex problem solving, agentic tasks, etc you can in fact see significant progress happening. This should be concerning if you think the world isn’t ready for labor displaced by LLMs.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s why I said “as standalone things.” As a computing curiosity, they’re amazing. No language processing application like this existed 30 years ago when I was a kid. You could also see “talking computers” speaking naturally, pretending or not, on movies and TV shows.
AnAverageSnoot@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I don’t dislike LLMs, I dislike people who treat them as anything more than an advanced search engine and stupidly give them all their confidential data. Seen it happen too much at work.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Yep. My work is very strict about security except for when it comes to LLMs, and then suddenly they’re surprisingly lax about it.
bimbimboy@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’m cool with it. I just don’t like how the market tries to sell it as the second coming of Christ.
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Don’t believe that marketing department“ is one of those things everybody needs to learn at some point in their life.
bimbimboy@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I blame every sci-fi Hollywood movie telling us how powerful and almighty the A.I is. How it’s going to be the magic pill that entirely destroys or saves humanity by itself.
Now we have an entire generation believing this crap.
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I mean, it still could be. But LLMs are not that AGI we’re expecting.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
You can blame Hollywood for a lot of things, including this, but sci-fi authors have been doing it for longer.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is the same market that tried to add blockchain to everything when that first became well-known.
Some of the biggest forces in the market are extraordinary stupid people trying to ride every buzzword that comes along.
bimbimboy@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Some of the biggest forces in the market are extraordinarily stupid people trying to ride every buzzword that comes along.
I think the biggest forces sell the fantasy to smaller forces. This way they can capitalize on the smaller forces believing the hype.
NostraDavid@programming.dev 1 month ago
I like LLMs. Instead of making a racket, I just use them, which may make it seem like everyone on Lemmy hates LLMs.
crash_thepose@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Being a teacher In academia is what makes me hate them tbh
Zexks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I love how everyone tries to jump on your comment after being called out and act like they don’t absolutely hate every stitch of it. But even in their excuses you can see the lies.
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I do hate LLMs (or how they’re marketed/hyped) and I concur that this is very interesting science
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I appreciate your reasoned and measured reply, friend!
Psythik@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I like LLMs. I’m aware of their limitations, and I use them daily.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yes, it’s interesting how grifters constantly pump out these phony results based on pseudo-science.
Sabin10@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I dislike that people are relying on them to do all their thinking for them while also being incredibly interested in the tech behind them.
L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I recently realized it’s a non-issue. The people doing this have already been looking for decades to find new ways to rot their minds. LLMs are just the latest in a long line of tools that help them tune out.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’ve said this a few times in a different way and I always get downvoted. The fact is that the people who will use the LLMs to think for them, were not gonna think a lot in the first place.
youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is true, but we don’t need people putting glue on their pizza. These people used to have a person to ask now they’ll be asking Sam Altman
proceduralnightshade@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
What do you all mean by “thinking”? Forming opinions or solving problems?
balder1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not when companies force them on you as well.
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Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
That sounds like a terrible company, NGL. I’m sorry there aren’t other options for you.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
The problem is that before LLMs, they had to actually put forward some effort to produce content on the internet, which at least kept the amount of thoughtless content down somewhat. Now the barrier to entry is practically zero, all while thieving people’s hard work without compensation and burning ridiculous amounts of resources to do so.