Here we fucking go again.
Comment on GitHub - LadybirdBrowser/ladybird: Truly independent web browser
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 1 year ago
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sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Transphobic main dev […]
Do you have a source?
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Under that POV stop using Volkswagen because Hitler invented it.
gnygnygny@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Totally excessive in view of the facts.
There are so few alternative browsers and the collapse of the privacy is so global. That seems to me a minor point in relation to the goal.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Again this shit. This have been debunked many times, yet people still write this nonsense.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I see zero reason to out the “transphobic” label on the dev.
Think and read before labelling people.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 1 year ago
[deleted]a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
there may also be the possibility of the dev simply not wanting to define his views publicly out of the blue, because regardless of stance, you will make enemies, potentially hindering the projects development or facing personal repercussions.
It should be allowed for someone to not out themselves as either transphobic or an ally. If the person does have issues with pronouns, it’s better if they simply keep to themselves instead of loudly proclaiming it. The other way around it’s the same - even if someone is pro trans, it might not be suitable for them to openly speak about it - it might even put them in danger.
I agree with you that this is often a dog whistle, but it might also be a poor choice of wording.
rickdg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Looks like a confused Swedish dude that when questioned about his use of English pronouns defaults to not wanting to get political. Is there more besides a misguided decision to avoid relevant political topics?
I think we should chastise people that insist on not getting political, but not necessarily boycott everything they do. Or at least we should apply the same moral demands to Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft or Google when choosing which browsers to support. Which of them is the least bad?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
There is nothing political about acknowledging peoples’ existence.
rickdg@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t think we should be scared of the word “political” or “ideology”.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Yeah, that too… Everything is political. People just want to be able to ignore it until it directly affects them.
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 year ago
Existence? Because somebody used a wrong pronoun?
ech@lemm.ee 1 year ago
They refused to use the right pronoun. One is a mistake. The other is a choice.
pogmommy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
You’re right, words are meaningless and language has no bearing on society at large. after all, fuiebt eidiowb rhe efifo quifopim.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
ugh transphobia rots people’s brains
it’s not too hard to just be a decent person ppl
Matriks404@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sure, but there’s no transphobia here. Stop spreading nonsense.
NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ok, you keep saying that but never explain why/how. Like, why refuse such a small change so aggressively?
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The change was accepted after a short conversation. So to talk about “refusing a small change so aggressively” is total bullshit, like you’re trying to start a fight or something.
moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 1 year ago
The documentation has long since been changed.
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github.com/…/a2a6bc534868773b9320ec3ca7399283cf7a… (this seems to have also switched to gender neutral language in other parts.'of the documentation and comments as well).
Original drama: github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
theherk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is he though? I didn’t know anything about this, but it doesn’t sound as bad with context.
gon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That blog post is pretty ridiculous, IMO.
You’ll see the alt-right do that a lot, for some reason.
There’s real criticism, but they always mix it in with some made-up complains like the slavery thing, which is some of the most obvious sarcasm I have ever seen on the internet, but somehow taken literally by the author of the post.
IDK if he’s a transphobe or whatnot, but his reaction to the change in language was indicative of, at the very least—with the most charitable of interpretations—, a disregard for inclusive language and, more realistically, some philosophy that doesn’t allow for “others” to participate because the existence of those that aren’t male is “political,” somehow.
You might not see it, because you haven’t seen it enough times to recognize it, but it happens again and again and again… But it’s always quiet.
“Don’t make this political,” “ideology isn’t welcome,” stuff like that. Statements that sound reasonable, but are only wielded to quiet those aiming for inclusiveness and acceptance of marginalized people.
It might sound like a less-than-generous interpretation, a bit callous and over-zealous, but it’s just patterns. I hear wolf, I say wolf.
Also, I thought that article had a really funny passage:
One activist (“cafkafk”) seen below, within the GitHub repository for the developer being attacked, celebrating the fact that other activists – organized on “The Fediverse” – had arrived to harass the Ladybird developer.
This alone made me think that it might be satire, but I don’t think it is… The Fediverse, huh? OK.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I would’ve rejected the PR too, but not for violation of that rule, but because one-line changes that merely fix a comment waste everyone’s time reviewing it, and are often just to build someone’s resume. I’ve even seen some that remove trailing whitespace.
If you want to fix it alongside other changes, go for it (and the reviewer said as much on the PR). But if you’re only interested in sending in drive-by commits to build a resume or something and aren’t actually interested in helping, then it should be rejected as noise.
If there’s a broader pattern of this, maybe that’s cause for concern. But if it’s literally just this instance, I could see the dev being annoyed at drive-by PRs.
gon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I would’ve rejected the PR too, but not for violation of that rule, but because one-line changes that merely fix a comment waste everyone’s time reviewing it, and are often just to build someone’s resume.
That’s exactly what I was talking about. You’re taking what they said reasonably, because you’re probably a reasonable person! However, look at what they’re actually saying. The issue wasn’t framed as being a “drive-by,” though later that’s what they claimed. It was about ideology. It was about politics. They didn’t pull up rules about one-line changes to justify not accepting them, they pulled up rules about talking politics.
The problem wasn’t that it was a meaningless PR, the problem was that it was a meaningful PR that they disagreed with.
And, quite frankly, disagreeing with that does make you an asshole, at the very least, and a transphobic misogynist, at worst. There were at least a few PRs open about similar issues, too.
Look, I’m not calling him a transphobe or a misogynist; I’m just saying this was an asshole thing to do, and it was done in an asshole way, and that allowing this sort of thing to exist, especially in FOSS, is not good. That’s all.
Check this out: mkultra.monster/tech/…/serenityos-and-ladybird
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
theherk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My mistake. I didn’t look far enough into it. But the accusation was made without context so I didn’t know. I’m not trying to defend him.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Stay vigilant. Content about “Political correctness gone mad!” is step one of the alt-right pipeline.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 1 year ago
[deleted]theherk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t know. But rather than just accepting the assertion, I did a cursory search. This turned up and I perused it. I didn’t see anything damning and thought maybe somebody could clarify. I am absolutely not trying to defend anybody, but I didn’t spend much time on it. Sorry folks.
Maybe he is a bad guy. Truly, I didn’t know.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Because it is. A quote from the linked page on asahi linux devs leaving twitter because of rising anti trans rhetoric
““Half of us are trans,” he says. Accompanied by a call to “fight back” against an imagined “genocide”, assumedly perpetrated by those who do not fully buy into his particular sexual fetish.”
The blogs author purposely misgenders Alyssa Rosensweig and refers to being trans as a sexual fetish, which makes their politics obscenely clear. Further, Alyssa has a resume of amazing accomplishments in reverse engineering the apple m1 and m2 chips and developing graphics drivers for their gpus. Lundukes resume is basically growing up as a nerd and being a “tech blogger” from early in the game and going full qanon a few years ago
Further in the article he references hector Martin saying that people demanding to keep politics out of tech is bullshit because tech is made by humans and anti trans rhetoric is going to kill his colleagues. His response to this:
“Of course nobody is trying to kill Hector’s colleagues.
And the vast majority of major corporations – not to mention the President of the country – are continually coming out in support of the Trans fetish. So declaring that there is a genocide occuring is beyond ridiculous.”
So that didn’t age well (from less than 2 years ago)
exu@feditown.com 1 year ago
Lunduke is definitely right wing and has been for years
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lunduke used to be somewhat interesting, and I enjoyed his “Linux sucks” series, but he really has doubled down on political nonsense.
dumnonii@piefed.social 1 year ago
I can't see anything about this on DuckDuckGo. Do you have a link?
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
nore@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
DDG search is garbage, I’m sorry… Whenever I switch to a browser that defaults to it, I’m reminded why I always switch it back to Google (unfortunately). Even Yandex is better, and that’s prob Russian spyware.
RayJW@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
mkultra.monster/tech/…/serenityos-and-ladybird
This was a little „write-up“ back when everything became more public.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I’m surprised this got any kind of attention.
Here’s the turn of events from my perspective:
- Someone submits a 1-line PR changing the gender used in a code comment
- PR rejected on the grounds that the change is "politically motivated"
- Submitter got mad, and proposed removing the rule against “politically motivated” changes
- Someone wrote a blog post about it
Here’s my analysis:
- Stupid change - don’t make PRs that simply correct an irrelevant typo in a comment somewhere; some people do this to put stuff on a resume (look at how much FOSS work I do!), and it just wastes everyone’s time
- Stupid response - it should’ve been rejected because it’s a useless change, not because it’s "politically motivated"
- Stupid proposal - do you really want to waste a bunch of time fighting over wording in a comment? Because that’s the kind of crap you get without a rule like this.
- This is all about an irrelevant change to a comment? Why is this getting so much attention?
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
I should be an idiot. I dont see a direct relationship between race and sexual orientation. Even if the PR was rejected because a pronounce how the hell this is white supremacist?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“comments must be accurate,” is not a rule you should bend. Bending it even a little leads to last programming and shit code.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“We don’t accept ideologically motivated changes” = White supremacist language…
gon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Thank you for sharing.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 1 year ago
[deleted]sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Someone else posted a writeup about it.
It wasn’t in documentation, but a code comment. No user would see this.
One part was a rejected change on the README, which was trying to remove this “white supremacist language”:
On ideologically motivated changes
This is a purely technical project. As such, it is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics or religious beliefs. Any changes that appear ideologically motivated will be rejected.
Someone changing “he” to “they” in a comment as their only change could absolutely be seen as “politically motivated.” My understanding is that if changing the comment was part of some larger useful change, it would be fine (as would using “she” or “they” in a new comment), but just changing the gender of a pronoun in a comment is a useless change.
If the comment said “she,” would someone have been motivated to make this change? Probably not. Should changing this from “she” to some other pronoun (he or they) also be rejected? Yes, on the same grounds as changing it from “he,” it’s not a useful change and just wastes everyone’s time. If you’re in the code already, then go ahead, correct silly language like this if you care to.
doodledup@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Freakout? Didn’t he just reject?
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Don’t be a dick. The dev is not transphobic, and you know it.