I feel like Europe is the only place actually making an effort to protect personal privacy these days.
Backdoors that let cops decrypt messages violate human rights, EU court says
Submitted 9 months ago by einat2346@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
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GiddyGap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s because Europe has actual experience with having their privacy invaded. My grand parents grew up burning letters and books after reading them.
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Well, it defers a lot from country to country.
For example, populations in the Scandinavian countries have high trust in their governments and let them collect a lot of private data. They have personal identification numbers that contain lots of personal information that many institutions (e.g. banks) have access to unless you ask for privacy protection. All of this also makes interaction with institutions very streamlined and easy, but it comes at the cost of less privacy.
In Norway and Sweden, for example, anyone can access personal income data about anyone living in the country. Full transparency, more or less.
On the other hand, a country like Germany does not issue personal identification numbers because the population is highly skeptical of data collection and registration, a remnant from the wars. Germany is much more bureaucratic and its government less efficient, but Germans prefer the arm’s length approach to government data collection and almost no data is publicly accessible.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
And they had nothing to hide either - and all of the ones they burned were perfectly innocent and legal… but even those can be taken out of context and used against you during a police investigation.
If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
Cardinal Richelieu
SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Such a big win. What a fantastic week.
platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Finally, good news. I can’t believe we need to go to court just to be allowed to have encrypted conversations. It’s MY conversation and MY data.
squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
This is incredibly funny for people who followed this. Everybody and their grandma told the European Commission that there was no way that breaking end-to-end encryption was compatible with the law. Yet they constantly pushed for it anyway and now look at this mess.
I am almost certain that the European Commission will claim that there are still ways to break end-to-end encryption, only to defeated in court yet again. Like they tried with data preservation for law enforcement purposes. They just can’t stop themselves.
jantin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The commissioner responsible for the chat control was thoroughly corrupt by a company which created the scanning system. She was also either unbelievably dense or very, VERY dedicated to her role of a pearl-clutching, think-of-the-children granny. To the point of arguing with IT specialists on TV.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
To the point of arguing with IT specialists on TV.
Could you please link it or just name that person? I want to see that and be offended.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
It is difficult to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It is difficult to get someone to understand something when their chain of non-executive board membersgips, gold-plated “consulting” contracts in the private sector and speech gigs depends on them not understanding it.
FIFY
THE_MASTERMIND@feddit.ch 9 months ago
Ah my never ending love for EU . Is there a way to donate to the EU ?
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’m a EU Citizen, you can send me the Money 🥸
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 9 months ago
Never idolise. Courts simply apply the laws, and good laws were likely written by inspired people and approved in a good political climate. These two conditions are not static.
moitoi@feddit.de 9 months ago
In this case, the title is misleading. It’s not the ECJ, it’s the ECHR. The ECHR isn’t part of the EU even if the EU and the EU members recognize it.
The ECHR rules according to the ECHR and not the EU regulations. The court can overturn EU regulation when violating the Human Rights.
THE_MASTERMIND@feddit.ch 9 months ago
I know i guess i wanna support so they have motivation to go forward. But yes you are absolutely right.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
It’s ECHR, it’s not affiliated with the EU.
Natanael@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
eeas.europa.eu/…/major-progress-path-eu-accession…
Didn’t know it’s a separate entity
lemmingrad@thelemmy.club 9 months ago
Trust me, the UE have enough money. Please donate to your local homeless shelter instead :3
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Good suggestion.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Maybe buy stuff there? A lot of vpns and other privacy companies and orgs are European.
THE_MASTERMIND@feddit.ch 9 months ago
Will do in the future i am currently using proton
erwan@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Move to EU and pay taxes there. Or buy European products, they pay taxes and some of it go to the EU.
uis@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Moving to EU is better option if you can afford it.
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
beyerdynamic headphones are made in germany, highly recommend.
Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They fund their political campaigns via taxes and put limits on spending and campaign seasons.
nexusband@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Don’t. They already get way to much taxes and while these are the shining examples of what the EU should be and are beacon of hope…there are other utterly ridiculous laws and stupid regulations we have to deal with. Don’t get me wrong, I’m proud to be European and so on, but it’s not the bright haven some people make it to be…
GoodEye8@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Can you name any ridiculous laws or regulations that negatively affect you? I have a hard time recalling any EU law or regulation that directly affects me without a good reason.
barsoap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Didn’t find anything quickly, but if you want to donate towards Germany paying back its debts: IBAN DE17 8600 0000 0086 0010 30, put “Schuldentilgung” in the purpose field.
Clent@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Pity we don’t have any of those human rights in America. Maybe we should join the EU.
Plopp@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But you have Freedom™!
jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
It’s Freedom® these days. It took a little while for the application to be processed.
Minotaur@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Maybe one day, the land of personal freedom and Liberty can have a small amount of the personal freedom and Liberty often declared by the “globalist big government” EU.
littletranspunk@lemmus.org 9 months ago
EU: “This violates human rights”
US: “Human rights? What are those? Are they in the constitution?”
Yeah, I wish the US could get some of those mysterious rights
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 9 months ago
US: “Human rights? What are those? Are they in the constitution?”
There actually were pretty strong rights written in to the constitution. Unfortunately they don’t fit well with modern data collection and almost nothing has been done to fix that.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Glad to see that it was Russians who went to court for human rights.
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
People from Russia and other ex-USSR states sue their governments in ECHR all the time. Sometimes those governments even pay the fines.
I mean, glad that you’re glad.
febra@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah, we in Romania sue our own government quite often in the ECHR, and we win, and then the government goes like “well what is another fine to us, we’ll just make the taxpayers pay it” or “look the EU is bad for telling us it’s not okay to discriminate !”.
uis@lemm.ee 9 months ago
*Happy Navalny noises*
kennismigrant@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Reported dead 2024-02-16 11:22utc, exactly the moment you posted your comment.
huh
zaphod@feddit.de 9 months ago
The ECHR is not an EU court, it’s a Council of Europe court, different organisation.
cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I tok great pleasure in making my Brexiter dad look a tit by asking what he disliked about the EU. “Well I’m sick of their human rights court telling us what to do! So I’m voting we leave the EU!”
Me: “But we’d still be covered by the ECHR. Are you thinking of the ECJ?”
I don’t speak to him anymore cos he’s a cunt*.
*Not politics - he’s just a cunt who doesn’t approve of my ‘lifestyle choices’ (childless, gay and mentally ill).
redfox@infosec.pub 9 months ago
lifestyle choices
lol, you should have made better choices with the ? thing you can control.
/s
uis@lemm.ee 9 months ago
EU, I belive in you!
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 9 months ago
Good to get this sort of ruling on the books.
mundane@feddit.nu 9 months ago
It’s great when someone with some sway actually gets it.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
EU institutions are pretty great, but sooner or later they’re going to lose the fight against the technofascist nightmare that’s constantly getting pushed on us
maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Luckily this is not an EU institution, this is an international treaty above the EU. For example, Azerbaijan is a signatory.
Point is, you can’t easily get it through EU legislation to overturn this, as it would need to cross the ECHR, which it won’t do.
jojo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
Stop this fucking doomerism and defeatism
Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s the attitude 💪💪