Submitted 9 months ago by Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/replacing-metroidvania
The previous section hints at something pretty important, but maybe non-obvious: I assert that MetroidVania is not a genre, it’s a framework - a way of structuring games and most specifically the worlds they take place in.
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This realization that ‘MetroidVania’ is not a genre helps explain why a > game like Batman: Arkham Asylum can be thought of as a MetroidVania where its sequels wouldn’t be, even though almost all aspects of the gameplay are very similar.
Really not convinced that you can’t call something a genre because it wouldn’t describe different games in a series.
I’d argue the Wario Land series has mostly changed genres between 1 and 2. First one is a straight platformer that’s basically Super Mario Bros with different abilities, following games are exploration puzzle game things that have a platforming element, but in which platforming is not the main point IMO.
Resident Evil really forgot it was survival horror for a while.
Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom are almost undistinguishable from the classic Zelda formula. Free-form puzzle solving, freer movement, almost zero dungeon structures, consumable weapons…
Those are significant, because when it happens it’s very likely some people would be more invested in either the old or new games (which incidentally explains why it doesn’t happen that much in established series).
I know I was initially very disappointed with new Wario, because all I wanted back then was more Mario-style platforming and the intentionally frustrating design of Wario Land 2-3-4 wasn’t for me.
Your example about BoTW is really good. I never played the earlier Zelda games and had near-zero interest in them. Then a friend let me borrow their BoTW cart and I absolutely fell in love with it. Still no interest in playing the earlier ones though.
The worse take i have read in a while, you can say the same about anything, fps, tps, rpg and even visual novels or action adventure, they are more frameworks than genres by their definition.
Never thought about that second quote like that before, but it explains why I loved Asylum and noped out of City after like, an hour or two
If we accept this, this RPG is also not a genre
...what
Reading through it, his suggestion seems rooted on the idea that Metroidvania carries implications in terms of setting, perspective or combat, which is a complete fabrication of his mind not grounded in reality. It's 2024, the people that would know and care about the Metroidvania tag know very well what that tag implies; your "revelation" that Arkham Asylum is also a Metroidvania has been commonplace in discussions for a decade.
This addresses a confusion and an issue that don't exist, and the tag is so standard at this point that changing it would not catch on and would create way more problems than it would fix.
Why the downvotes?
Gives off “Umm, actually” vibes. Metroidvania is a useful term.
I kind of liked their take. The arkham games example was convincing.
Even if people don’t agree, I feel It’s just their opinion and downvoting is a bit harsh.
Eh IDK if it’s just my mood… but i am feeling generous.
Moronic ideas deserve them. What do you think downvotes are for?
For toxic ideas? Good ideas can’t come about if you punish the “moronic” ideas too harshly.
I’ve never understood the term Metroidvania, and at this point, I’m afraid to ask.
You are walking and see a very high place, that you can't reach with your basic jump, so you decide to continue on your way.
Eventually, you get the power of flight. Your mind goes back to that high place, "oh shit, now I can get there and see what's in that place!".
Multiply that several times, with several paths, with different powers/gadgets/abilities/whatever, and that's Metroidvania.
The nature of the obstacles and the tools that unlock those obstacles doesn't matter, if the world is structured around blocked paths and tools that unlock them in non-linear ways, that's Metroidvania or at least Metroidvania-adjacent.
amio@kbin.social 9 months ago
So not only does he want to replace a perfectly cromulent word that everyone uses and whose meaning most people agree on...
... his suggested replacement is "Unlocking World". Yes, I sure do love that Unlocking World genre...