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Microsoft sets 16GB default for RAM for AI PCs – machines will also need 40 TOPS of AI compute: Report

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Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨throws_lemy@lemmy.nz⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsofts-baseline-ram-for-ai-pcs-set-at-16gb

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  • Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    what the fuck is a “AI PC”?

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    • Sabata11792@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They get to put a sticker on that inflates the value by $600, then fill it with spyware.

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      • assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ‘CApItALiSm BreEdS INnoVAtION’

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      • Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        sounds amazing

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    • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It means “VC money now 🥺🥺”

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      • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Microsoft is chasing VC money now?

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    • LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Branding. It’s just saying it’s capable of handling local models on copilot.

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I have to deal with Blockchain cloud computing IoT bullshit as a software engineer, I want everyone else to feel my buzzword pain in the tech they use.

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    • fidodo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I guess a PC with a graphics card?

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    • cholesterol@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The new ‘VR Ready’

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    • Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • SaltySalamander@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It's comical how much you think you know but how little you actually know.

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      • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nope.

        They're just regular Windows 11 PC's with an NPU. These are consumer products they're trying to push.

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  • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thus, Windows will again be instrumental in driving growth for the minimum memory capacity acceptable in new PCs.

    I love that the primary driver towards more powerful hardware is Windows just bloating itself bigger and bigger. It’s a grift in its own way, consumers are subsidizing the requirements for Microsoft’s idiotic data processing. And MSFT is not alone in this, Google doing away with cookies also conveniently shifts away most ad processing from their servers into Chrome (while killing their competition).

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    • thesorehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Google doing away with cookies also conveniently shifts away most ad processing from their servers into Chrome (while killing their competition).

      OOTL, what’s going on here? Distributed processing like Folding@Home, but for serving ads to make Google more money?

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      • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They called it Federated Learning of Cohorts at one point. Instead of you sending raw activity data to Google servers and them running their models there, the model runs in Chrome and they only send back the ad targeting groups you belong to. All in the name of privacy of course.

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  • thecrotch@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Microsoft is desperate to regain the power they had on the 00s and is desperately claiming trying to find that killer app. At least this time they’re not just copying apples homework.

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    • Toribor@corndog.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They either force it on everyone or bundle it in the enterprise package businesses already pay for and then raise the price.

      It never works, but maybe this time it will. I mean it won’t… But maybe.

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      • tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And maybe that’s why it isn’t working. They try too hard to persuade you… and try too little to make a product that people want.

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  • cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At least it should result in less laptops being made with ridiculously small amounts of non upgradable RAM.

    Requiring a large amount of compute power for AI is just stupid though. It will probably come in the form of some sort of dedicated AI accelerator that’s not usable for general purpose computing.

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    • throws_lemy@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And remember that your data and telemetry are sent to Microsoft servers to train Copilot AI. You may also need to subscribe to some advanced AI features

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      • DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And that's when I'll start using Linux as my daily driver.

        Honestly installing Ubuntu is almost idiot proof at this point.

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  • frankpsy@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Apple: what’s wrong with just 8GB RAM?

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    • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, and solder it onto the board while you’re at it! Who ever needs to upgrade or perform maintenance anyways?

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      • bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They do make the most of it though. Soldered RAM can be much faster than socketed RAM, which is why GPUs do it too.

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  • DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Wanna see me fill entire landfills with e-waste due to bullshit minimum requirements?”

    “Wanna see me do it again?”

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    • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All I can think of:

      Hi kids, do you like violence? Wanna see me stick nine-inch nails through each one of my eyelids? Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? Try 'cid and get fucked up worse than my life is?

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hyuk I’ll fucking do it again!

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  • THE_ANON@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Everyone here is like praising microsoft when in fact you can just buy any pc’s with 16 gig ram without the additional ai spyware and (cost if i may assume)

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    • TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      my work laptop came with only 8 and can’t be upgraded. The next model up was twice the price

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      • THE_ANON@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And you think microsoft will give you 16 gig laps at 8 gig price . also why is it twice the price does it only have improvement of ram i doubt that

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      • moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wow. My thinkpad t420 has 8 gigs, but that thing was made in 2011

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    • flamingarms@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not seeing anyone here praising Microsoft; actually the opposite. Who’s praising Microsoft?

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  • furzegulo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    no ai ain’t gonna come into my pc

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    • Shurimal@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unless it's locally hosted, doesn't scan every single file on my storage and doesn't send everything I do with it to the manufacturer's server.

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    • Secret300@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personally I really want it to but only locally run AI like lamma or whatever it’s called

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      • evranch@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Do it, it’s easy and fun and you’ll learn about the actual capabilities of the tech. Started a week ago and I’m a convert on the utility of local AI. Got to go back to Reddit for it but r/localllama has tons of good info. You can actually run useful models at a conversational pace.

        This whole thread is silly because VRAM is what you need, I’m running some pretty good coding and general knowledge models in a 12GB Radeon. Almost none of my 32GB system ram is used lol either Microsoft is out of touch or hiding an amazing new algorithm

        Running in system ram works but the processing is painfully slow on the regular CPU, over 10x slower

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  • nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They are making for a long time now, a massive slow effort to make end users finally migrate to Linux.

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  • HidingCat@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Great, so it'll take AI to set 16GB as minimum.

    I still shudder that there are machines still being sold with 8GB RAM, that's just barely enough.

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    • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s honestly crazy to think about that we used to say the same about 4GB only 5-7 years ago…

      And the same about 2GB a measly 10 years ago…

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  • SomeGuy69@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Low amount of ram becomes the AI detox mechanism of this century.

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  • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Opening excel and outlook on a win11 PC brings you to almost 16GB of memory used. I don’t know how anybody is still selling computers with 8GB of ram.

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    • NoRodent@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That doesn’t work even as a hyperbole. I literally just opened an Excel spreadsheet with 51192 rows (I had Outlook already open) and those two programs still only take 417 MB of RAM combined. Meanwhile Firefox is at 2.5 GB. Yes, my total RAM currently used is 13.8 GB but I have 64 GB of RAM installed and you should know that generally the more RAM you have, the more of it gets utilized by the system (this is true for all modern OS, not just Windows) which is a good thing, because it means better performance, since you can cache more things in RAM that would otherwise needed to be read from disk. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. So even if one computer uses 16 GB of RAM for some relatively simple tasks, it doesn’t necessarily mean it wouldn’t run or grind to a halt on a system with less RAM.

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      • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nephew them open for a week or so while using them consistently.

        The memory usage will change drastically.

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    • Liz@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why in the hell do those programs take up so much space?

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      • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Usually, caching. They can and do use less RAM if you have less free, at the cost of slower performance.

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      • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean on top of the rest of windows garbage.

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    • rbesfe@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Uh… No, it doesn’t. 8GB is definitely tight these days, but for simple word processing, email, and spreadsheet usage it still works fine.

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  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Makes sense, 16GB is sort of the new “normal” although 8GB is still quite enough for everyday casual use. “AI PCs” being a marketing term just like “AI” itself.

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  • query@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI PC sounds like something that will be artificially personal more than anything else.

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    • Rincewindnz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I get visions of HAL or that Simpsons Halloween special with the sentient house.

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    • throws_lemy@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, AI PC like in the movie HER

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  • irdc@derp.foo ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah good. Now I know what specs not to buy.

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    • LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You have fun sticking to ms running your 8gb of ram, that’ll show em!

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  • Mango@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is that teraflops?

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