Submitted 11 months ago by ZeroCool@feddit.ch to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/7/23991158/mammoth-2-app-mastodon
I for one value the minor barrier to entry. Mastodon quality degraded greatly with Twitter migrants. Just take a look at bluesky or threads - the content quality is not even close to that of Mastodon despite being projects in similar market position.
I know it sounds mean and there has to be a “better way” but a bit of friction goes a long way. If you’re too dumb to figure out Mastodon you’re too dumb for the internet - there I said it.
Mastodon nowawdays is absurdly easy to sign up for, too. The official app (the way most newbies will find it) defaults to mastodon.social, and users never have to deal with anything involving Federation. From the user’s perspective the “Mastodon” app is identical to the official Twitter or Reddit app etc.
It absolutely boggles my mind how there are still real live technology journalists that claim it’s “too confusing”. Like yes “instances” and Federation is def weird, but not knowing how the technical backend stuff works doesn’t detract from the experience in the slightest.
Yes, the old Internet was absolutely full of good-natured, kind, helpful people.
It wasn’t until my boomer grandchildren got hold of Facebook that I got tricked into rm -rf, and called dirty words for believing a stranger
… Luckily I use Windows so it didn’t hurt me.
Now I use Hurd, btw
I agree. It looks me time to know how mastodon works. But, it’s how it maintain the quality. You can’t have quality and quantity in a social media.
I actually disagree with that. It’s theoretically possible to have quality and quantity at the same time. But to do so, it can’t be based on an engagement algorithm, because engagement typically correlates with low quality posts.
This is why you’ll never see quality and quantity together from a profit-seeking platform - they are incentivized to shovel you low quality stuff that’s highly engaging.
In-app purchases. Get fukt.
It’s AGPL. Fine with me but: Since when is AGPL code allowed on the Apple app store?
Why wouldn’t you like developers to make a living? Do you expect to get a high quality app for free? Grow up.
I use a Lemmy app with IAP (Sync)
It’s great. I literally moved to Lemmy because of Sync.
I found Jerboa on the Fdroid store. It’s amazing looks just like Now for Reddit.
🍎🤢
You dislike Apple? Shocking.
So, algorithms. Pass.
One of the reasons I don’t use the other medias.
Some people want some sort of suggestion system. I figure as long as it’s an opt-in choice, why not? Gives people what they want and makes the ecosystem more enticing. And at least it’s an algorithm that’s transparent rather than one controlled by a large corporation.
Definitely! The reason why many of us hate algorithms is that they are constantly pushed on us. Look at what Reddit was doing before they killed third party apps. One of the reasons I went to a third party app was to avoid the Reddit bs.
People who dislike algorithms can simply avoid this app while people who prefer a personalized feed can use this app.
I strongly believe the “algorithm of the future” is a locally-run, personalized content filter AI that you can train to wade through all the shit and find the diamonds. We have the technology right now, but nobody has put it all together yet.
I figure as long as it’s an opt-in choice, why not?
I think the algorithm is a necessity on social media. However even if you don’t use it, it’s still going to impact your experience. As long as it exists there will be people (and scammers) gaming it.
Are there any good clients that has good algorithm in android?
Looks like they’re topically curated feeds not algorithms. Doesn’t seem like a bad strategy.
Newsmast is trying something similar but they’re backed by a nonprofit
no. It is an algorithm in itself to go from the latest post to the oldest. Algorithm just means a way to list the post and a kind of suggestion system thst’s optional is good for mastodon because that’s one of the biggest thibgs preventing people from seitching or the first thing you have to get used to when you gwt into the fediverse
Just went open source too.
github.com/jgw96/mammoth-app
Ate the stories of the lead developer being not so cool, true? Nice promises up front that turn to shit on behalf of pleasing investors?
It’s a very attractive app. And there’s not any core functionality hidden behind a paywall. Definitely going to give it a run. Though I don’t really have any complaints about my current app Ice Cube.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The official Mastodon app is fine, but there’s also Ivory, Mona, Fedilab, Ice Cubes, Elk, Mastoot, and many others.
This openness is part of the whole appeal of the ActivityPub-powered social networking ecosystem, and it has already led to some solid new ideas.
Now, with the launch of Mammoth 2 for Mac, iPhone, and iPad, the app is going even deeper into curation and personalization: it’s launching a series of “Smart Lists” filled with good posts, a set of suggested people and accounts to follow, and more.
Most lists are filled with websites and well-known posters, so they’re more like a starting point than a long-term solution.
The default process has improved over time, but it’s still a lot of work to pick a server, sign up, find people, and get your timeline tuned just the way you like.
In general, he says he sees the app as a way to explore the entire fediverse, whether it’s on Mastodon or Pixelfed or anywhere else.
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Are you sure this is a new application?
What about the simplest and most understandable application for beginners, this is the PWA app Pinafore.
For those who have used third-party applications for Reddit, such as Infinity and Boost, Pinafore will be quite comfortable.
Why would it be exclusive to a super shitty operating system
schwim@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Apple only so Fuck’em.
jacktherippah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What kind of mentality is this? Don’t we all want the Fediverse to grow and succeed? Don’t you want more apps for the Fediverse to spur adoption? And what is so wrong with it being exclusive to iOS? What do you say about Android exclusive apps then? Fuck them too? I’m a GrapheneOS user too. I have been on Android exclusively for the last decades and I’m sick of this attitude. You Android elitists are so utterly anhedonic. You tire me out. Grow the f up up and let people enjoy what they want geez.
otter@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
The other great thing about the Fediverse is that people have options, and they can explore those options without affecting you
If someone wants to use Mastodon on an Apple device, then great. If someone wants an algorithm when viewing content, then great.
We aren’t locked into one thing anymore
helenslunch@feddit.nl 11 months ago
Most of us come to the Fedi because we want choices. Something Apple is not fond of.
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Sorry iOS users can only enjoy whatever Apple says they can.
Apple and Apple users have also ruined Android. I’m done pretending to be okay with people financially supporting such a fucking horrific and influential company.
kratoz29@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Welcome to the Android good and Apple bad argument.
schwim@reddthat.com 11 months ago
You seem angry.
moitoi@feddit.de 11 months ago
Social media is like capitalism. If your way is the infinite grow, you end with entshitification for both. You need to have a limit where you balance quality and quantity.
It’s why the steep learning curve isn’t as bad as people like to say. It’s the limit to keep the quality high enough. If you have a lot of new player making it easy to join, you change the equilibrium and entshitification begins.
But, fediverse is in some case protected. If the new player has its how instance, the others can defederate. It’s what is already happening.
I’m part of a minority and I use Mastodon on a dedicated instance. We defederate of some very specific instances to keep our safe space and keep entshitification away.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The whole article exists in Apple-land. Like a tacky stereotype of Apple users, the author never acknowledges it, treating everything Apple as the “default.”
I don’t have time for articles that consider the 3.5 billion android users to be “outliers.” C’mon, it’s 2023.
covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
They said they are open sourcing their app so hope ahead
woelkchen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And Swift code talking to iOS APIs is magically working on Android? If the app wasn’t developed as cross platform from the start, it won’t be at a later stage. And if it works using cross platform technologies, not publishing it on Android is just stupid. After all, that’s where 70% of all users are.