Submitted 1 year ago by deadsuperhero@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://wedistribute.org/2023/11/debunking-the-top-10-myths-about-mastodon/
Hey there! Figured I’d share here since my main instance, Lemmy.ml, seems to be really broken right now. I published an article today focusing on some of the myths and misconceptions Mastodon users have spread over the last few years, with some critical analysis and debunking.
Let me know if you like it!
Strong disagree about the email thing. When people say that, they aren’t talking about low level implementation details like this article goes into. They’re talking about the ability for Gmail to talk to AOL.
Non-technical users have no idea about implementation details of email anyway, so I highly doubt anyone has ever interpreted it that way.
As someone who struggled to understand what the fediverse even was, the email analogy was what made it finally click for me.
For me, it was pretty clear that the analogy was only about how different servers could talk to each other, and that the underlying technology wasn’t equivalent. I never even considered that people might use the analogy that way until this article.
Ahh! So that is why users are user@instance.name. it is basically like public email threads that are structured to promote discussion!
Aw, I thought this was about actual Mastodons.
Meee tooo, hard disappoint. I was thrilled there were a whopping 10 misconceptions about the extinct animal!
One misconception is that mastodons sharpened their tusk points with a nail file while giving their enemy the evil eye. Never happened.
Why would you expect that from a fediverse community post?
I blame the thumbnail, though.
I’m glad I’m not the only one disappointed.
We want real mastodon facts, damn it.
Same here, as the picture led us to believe.
I came ready to learn about prehistoric animals, what’s going on here.
Pretty decent list. It covered a lot of the myths I think about.
One myth you mention that I see a lot is the idea that people you don't like won't be on the fediverse. On the face of it it's an absurd idea -- So anyone can start an instance and run it however they want but somehow it's going to be more locked down than big tech sites that spend millions of dollars on moderation?
The myth that "it's all called mastodon" that you mention I feel is less like the gnu/linux distinction, and more like your mom calling every video game system a "nintendo". I'm running 6 different services that use some form of federation, and none of them are Mastodon (nothing against the program, it's just that I've always been running with system performance at a premium so something heavy and scalable like that wasn't on my radar)
I agree with the email metaphor being a bad example. If you’re talking to a twitter user, it’s easier to describe it as a platform where anyone can set up their own twitter website and you can sign up with any of them and see content from the other sites. Then just switch it up to whatever they’re familiar with (i.e. reddit, discord, etc.). I don’t know why people like using email as an example.
Email is the only federated social platform that every normal person is familiar with. It doesn’t matter that the technical specifications are completely different. The metaphor goes as far as “in the fediverse anyone signed up with any instance can communicate with anyone on any other instance, like email”. For that purpose, it’s a good metaphor.
Except it's basically impossible to host your own mail server and have it work reliably, especially for a casual user. Mail space is dominated by Gmail, Hotmail, Protonmail and other giants.
Even if it might be a good comparison underneath for the technical side, it is not a favorable comparison for an user looking to get into the fediverse.
It’s a good metaphor for tech savvy users IMO, not for people who don’t know the difference between sending information over email vs sending the same information over an FB account to someone (for example).
I understand the email analogy now, but it didn’t help me in the beginning, like what part of email is the important part (I know, I might be the only one who didn’t get it 😊)?
Yep. Terrible analogy, a bad fit for both the tech and the use cases, tells nothing to anybody, and federation is not the biggest feature most people care about going into Mastodon anyway.
is comparing to real country better
A few of these are interesting and accurate (email comparisons), a few are pretty obvious and widely distributed already (privacy challenges), a few are a bit of a straw man argument (not sure "algorithms are bad" is a thing) and a few I'd caveat a little bit (quote tweets).
Going through all that would mean a whole response piece, though, so I'm more than happy to vaguely nod and move on.
I think for most people talking about algorithms, the problem isn't an algorithm, it's "The Algorithm".
The distinction is that everything on a computer screen is displayed using an algorithm, but The Algorithm is instead this sinister thing that arbitrarily displays things for the benefit of the company rather than the benefit of the user.
An Algorithm might show posts by upvotes or by comments or by some combination of the two, or by time, or by some combination of the three. The Algorithm will show stormfront posts to black people because it drives engagement. On Youtube for example, a thumbs down is just as acceptable for the purposes of The Algorithm as a thumbs up.
The distinction is that everything on a computer screen is displayed using an algorithm, but The Algorithm is instead this sinister thing that arbitrarily displays things for the benefit of the company rather than the benefit of the user.
Somewhat relevant kurzgesagt video. The thing would be that as they say there, the most effective algorithm would feed you rage bait. Stuff that it thinks upsets you. The most effective emotion to exploit. Keeps you glued as you get more and more upset with each swipe, being able to show you more and more ads as you do.
It's gotten diluted over time with each wave, but algorithms are bad was a strong stance on mastodon servers since its inception. It was one of the first "big" things touted about mastodon. Each wave brought more people from twitter that didn't care about that or actively disagreed with it so you don't see the argument as much
Well, the idea of the original post is that ALL algorithms used for any reason are bad, and the retort is to explain that a chonological feed is still a (simple) algorithm and use that to "well actually" a distinction with proprietary algorithms.
Which is fine, but nitpicky. I'd think most Masto users get that, or at least take no issue with the obvious explanation. For all I saw the majority of the response to BlueSky's idea of an algorithm marketplace where you pick and tune how your feeds are sorted was relatively well received.
But as always around here I don't doubt that with a different set of follows and even usage times the pushback on principle may be more frequent or obvious. It just hasn't been my experience and I think the "what algorithm actually means" bit is a bit deceptive.
Yep. When I tried Mastodon, I gave up again super fast, and I think I see why now. Thankyou, very interesting.
You forgot censorship. The top default instance social is heavily censored.
mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 year ago
A staggering amount of honesty that will likely make a bunch of idealistic blowhards really mad. Good job.
Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It was a breath of fresh air for me.
mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Totally. There are times I’ve read what some people have to say about how much better it is and wondered if they’ve even used it all that much or bothered to learn about its weaknesses.