machinin
@machinin@lemmy.world
- Comment on Elon Musk’s Neuralink reports trouble with first human brain chip 1 day ago:
There are better options. Musk is just the one that doesn’t care about safety.
- Comment on Neuralink's first in-human brain implant has experienced a problem, company says 2 days ago:
I guess it is an old argument. How willing are we, as a society, to protect people from being taken advantage of by cons. Musk had been extremely resilient for a con man. Probably because he mainly goes after relatively poor people.
Musk’s companies aren’t the only ones making breakthroughs in their respective fields. The only difference between Musk companies and others is that Musk just didn’t care about safety, so good companies cut corners to make people think they are ahead. Other companies who are more responsible aren’t willing to cut those corners for ethical reasons.
- Comment on Neuralink's first in-human brain implant has experienced a problem, company says 2 days ago:
That is what makes this even more egregious. Musk doesn’t care about this guy in the slightest, except for the publicity that might help Musk raise more investor money. So Musk takes advantage of this desperation without any concern for long-term consequences. We know people left the company because of their ethical concerns. Those that remain probably just don’t care or aren’t on a position to do anything about the lack of ethics.
- Comment on Windows 11 just isn't enticing Windows 10 users to upgrade, and its market share is actually falling 1 week ago:
Thanks!
- Comment on Windows 11 just isn't enticing Windows 10 users to upgrade, and its market share is actually falling 1 week ago:
Why flatpacks?
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
It’s so good many people trust it to much.
That’s the malignant part I mentioned. They trust it too much and end up running into a first responder, motorcycle or kid getting off a school bus. The aviation industry and many other industries have extensive knowledge how to avoid this very problem. Most other car companies implement systems to avoid it. Tesla just doesn’t really care that much.
My thoughts were also about phantom breaking, but I don’t know if it is still an issue.
By the way, I’m not downvoting you here.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
They give 2 statistics, accidents and incidents. Accidents are crashes, incidents are crashes plus tickets.
Tesla has most accidents per driver. Ram has the most incidents - the report you mention. Tesla has the second most incidents.
So, Teslas still top the number is accidents. Agree, we would need a study to figure out if Tesla driving assist suite is either incompetent at driver safety or malignant to driver safety. Perhaps this lawsuit will shed some light on it.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
In any case, I think we can dispel the myth that Tesla is one of the safest cars. They have the worst accident rates among all brands and their driving assist features either can’t keep idiots from making bad decisions or, worse, even amplify the dangerous effects that idiots create while driving.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Okay, so Tesla had the highest rate, but switching power train types seems problematic. It didn’t really say if other EVs are close to Tesla’s accident rates, or am I missing something?
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
The same stats run similar for other EV but nobody cares.
Where are you getting that number? The report just said Tesla had the highest accident rate of all brands.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
They use the term “rate,” which would account for absolute numbers. So just because Tesla sells more EVs wouldn’t account for it.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Good luck in your purchase!
I hope you don’t buy from the company that had swastikas in the bathrooms and a place called the plantation where the black employees were forced to work.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
The one where Tesla is responsible if there is an accident (but this user blocks people critical of Tesla, so probably won’t see this message).
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Do you think current and prospective Tesla owners could escape the online marketing system that pumps this info into their online life? One of the reasons I started countering all the Musk bullshit was because I couldn’t escape their online marketing presence. It is everywhere. I might as well have fun fighting it. I’m sure that if you’ve clicked any Tesla marketing links, you’re inundated with their BS.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
If only we could implement similar testing protocols to the aviation version to validate it’s safety!
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
It’s not that Teslas are killing their owners. Teslas are killing first responders to road accidents, kids getting off buses and motorcyclists. We’re all exposed to the problems caused by Musk cutting out testing to save some money.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
So you do you think Tesla’s crash at a higher rate? I think it’s a combination of instant acceleration, poor sensor-suite (like the lack of radar), and Tesla giving idiots free-reign to abuse the system as they please.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
And that is why Tesla shouldn’t be promoting videos that abuse the system. If they do, make Tesla liable when their customers abuse the system.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Tesla marketing is their chief marketer retweeting videos of people having sex on autopilot and making jokes about it, or the doctored video on their website where the driver spends the whole drive without touching the steering wheel, or the Tesla’s CEO driving around in a news interview with his hands of the wheel fort much of the ride, or promoting influencer videos that don’t follow that guidance.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
You think giving me Tesla marketing BS, published by a proxy Tesla marketing rag, is going to convince me? If it is anything else like Tesla’s marketing department, they just pulled something out of their ass, Musk saw the numbers and told them to fudge it some more, and then they put it up on their website dressed in fancy graphs and tech-speak. That’s why you’ll never find any actual data that third-party researchers can verify it with.
You have this article that looked at a four-month period. During that time, Tesla was responsible for every 10 of 11 deaths related to automated driving features. This report states that Tesla has the most accidents of any brand.
Tesla’s create horrible driving habits in their customers. On the one hand, you have the CEO that creates a culture to disregard for safety and rules, praising users that openly go against the terms of use, as long as they show it doing something cool. On the other hand, you have a system that is just good enough to lull you into a sense of safety and confidence in the system itself. Then one day it decides to kill a motorcyclist, a kid getting off the bus, or a paramedic working on the side of the road. The driver that maybe praised Tesla to their friends and colleagues about how amazing it was is now dumbstruck because the car acted so unexpectedly.
Tesla is just as much as fault as the driver for that situation.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Yes, and he and Tesla should be liable for marketing and promoting the abuses of FSD.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
When did I refer to Musk? You must be sensitive.
Yes, when cruise control came out over 100 years ago, there were very little controls. Responsible car makers have changes that. Summer even recently aimed for zero fatalities for people using their cars and the associated technologies.
And there are many cars that keep you from driving into a wall. Maybe, at this point, you can’t keep 100 percent of the idiots from doing something stupid, but responsible car makers do much, much better than Tesla, who actually promotes and markets the actions of idiots abusing the systems in their cars.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
I haven’t seen the video you are mentioning. It would be stupid for them to market that as a current feature.
indianexpress.com/…/musk-courts-controversy-with-…
Yeah, a responsible CEO would take measures to remove the video, makes statements about the dangers of abusing the system, etc. instead, Tesla CEO, which is also the main marketing account, makes jokes about it.
Tesla is full of “the driver is always responsible” small print, and then promoting the reckless use of the system through influencer videos and winks from the CEO saying that the legal stuff it’s just due to those peaky regulators. If it wasn’t for them, you wouldn’t really need to keep your hands on the wheel or pay attention. The car just drives itself.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Nothing can stop people from being idiots. Most of the accidents are people being idiots.
This is the stupidity I hate most about Tesla shills.
Great engineers make genius innovations all the time to keep idiots from harming themselves or others. Those innovations saturate or society and industries at all levels. Good evening should be trying to do it more.
Tesla just doesn’t care, or is even complicit in giving the idiots just enough freedom so people can think Tesla is ahead of the competition. The only difference from Tesla is that other car manufacturers don’t give idiots that freedom.
- Comment on Lawsuits test Tesla claim that drivers are solely responsible for crashes 1 week ago:
Musk’s retweet of the people have sex on autopilot with the cute little joke is Tesla marketing.
- Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths 2 weeks ago:
Grey had the right idea when he said they didn’t need to be perfect, just as good as or better than humans.
The heater question - is Tesla’s FSD caught drivers to have more accidents than other driving assist technologies? It seems like a yes from this article and other data ice linked elsewhere in this thread.
- Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths 2 weeks ago:
It isn’t the average driver. Most cars are equipped with driver assist features, we have to say that is should be better than people using current driver assist features from other companies. If Tesla is behind everyone else, but better than a 20 year-old car, it’s still problematic.
- Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths 2 weeks ago:
What I take issue with is saying that the cars are 4 wheeled death machines killing everyone in their path. That is not true. It is also not true that other companies are solving the same problem without risk.
I never said that. It isn’t black or white. I said musk creates a culture that despises safety engineering. Other companies like Volvo embrace it. Different companies embrace it to different degrees. As a result, you have wildly different fatality rates. Teslas happen to be the worst (although, like you said, it’s impossible to get good data that accounts for all the factors).
Yes, it is a people problem, but it is also a systems problem. Volvo has aimed for zero fatalities in their cars. They engineer for problematic people. They went 16 years without a fatality in the UK in one of their models. Tesla simply doesn’t care about problematic people. In fact, problematic people may even get a boost from a Musk re-tweet.
I agree, zero incidents may be impossible and people are problematic. But attitudes, practices, cultures and systems can either amplify those problems or dampen their effects. Musk and Tesla amplify the negative effects. It doesn’t have to be that way.
- Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths 2 weeks ago:
Probably not you personally, but the system, oil companies, and people like Musk and his followers that want to prioritize private driving over public transportation.
I say fuck cars, and I have one too. I try to avoid using it, but it’s easy to be lazy. I’m also fortunate to live someplace with great public transportation.
Don’t take it personally, just realize life can be better if we could learn to live without these huge power-hungry cargo containers taking us everywhere.
- Comment on Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths 2 weeks ago:
It’s not just hatred for Musk. Yes, he is a racist that had a place in his factory called “the plantation” for black workers. He swatted the wife and children of a whistleblower. There is so much shit he does, but that isn’t what makes Teslas dangerous.
Teslas are dangerous because he creates a culture that despises safety engineering practices. When someone has sex on autopilot and endangers everyone on the road around them, does Musk rebuke them? No, he makes a joke. Now, good followers think that the silly little warning that pops up every time probably doesn’t mean much. If a worker says that something probably needs more testing before release, do you think he pauses to consider the safety implications? I can guarantee he doesn’t care.
So, you get someone who runs into a fireman on the road and kills them because they were using autopilot while distracted. Or you back over a motorcycle driver and kill them, or plow into a firetruck and kill some more people.
Musk and sycophants like you that think it’s okay to have a cavalier attitude about safety because people just have to be sacrificed for technology. You are menaces. We don’t have to sacrifice passengers to make airlines safer. We have proper testing and systems in place to integrate better technology at very little risk. In the same way, we don’t have to sacrifice motorcycle drivers, first responders, other drivers or pedestrians just because you think your technology is worth it. Other car manufacturers have implemented those systems. Tesla just doesn’t want to spend the money so Musk can get his payout.