Ethernet is Still Going Strong After 50 Years

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• RememberTheApollo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why not? I prefer a hard wired connection over wifi where possible any day.

  What a nothing article. Like we have to go wireless.

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  • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The speeds of wired ethernet are typically faster than wifi, and are consistantly more reliable.

    I’ve worked in RF for my entire career, and I’ll always recommend a wired solution as the best option unless the use case requires the hardware to be moving arbitrarily.

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  • macrocephalic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tell me how you didn’t read the article…

    Wifi (802.11) is a type of ethernet. Ethernet is the communication specification not the medium.

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• FancyFilingCabinet@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m really confused by the number of people here that are conflating Ethernet as a protocol and the physical medium it runs over. Coxial, fiber, and twisted pairs, can all carry different protocols. None of them are as ubiquitous in the home as Ethernet. Alternative network technologies are usually specific purpose, like fibre channel for storage, or infiniband for low latency, or 5G for wireless telecommunications.
  It’s a very long lived protocol and it’s a testament to its lightweight and flexible nature. Ethernet really is a framework for higher level protocols where increasing change happens. IP addresses? Not Ethernet, that’s all Internet protocol. It’s more reminiscent of when electricity in the home was becoming common place. Before standardisation there was all kinds of chaos with different sockets, voltage, AC vs. DC etc. Although arguably that’s a less settled debate with suppliers and home users often preferring different standards.

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just want to say that my home network is entirely ethernet, and I have a few fiber connections in there that are also ethernet.

    The vast majority of the ethernet connections out there are done over category (5/5e/6/6a) cable, at least when it comes to end users, but that’s not the only thing that can transmit ethernet.

    802.11 is extremely similar to ethernet, though, very notably, it is not ethernet. It is ethernet compatible, and mostly just adds things like encryption and source and endpoint radio identifiers… It more adds to ethernet than it changes anything. Bring so similar, the end to end ethernet connection is almost entirely unchanged when there is a wireless link in the chain…

    It is, of course, different, as it has some different methods for handling issues, and other things, but ethernet is in there.

    Fact is, ethernet is not your category cable, nor your 8p8c “rj45” cable connectors.

    There are so many protocols and standards that work together to make networks function that many have not observed outside of the practical application of LAN networks. Thus all the terms get conflated together because the vast majority have not observed these things used in any other context.

    Category cable is just a standard for twisted pair wiring. “Rj45” is actually a very specific connector and signaling that has nothing to do with LAN networks. Most of the wiring standards used are born from other purposes, and few know the history behind it.

    Oh well. It’s not worth getting upset about it.

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  • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I was having a discussion about this with a colleague at work about the so-called “HDMI over Ethernet” and how it’s a misnomer. As you said, Ethernet is a protocol, not a physical medium. I know a lot of people refer to the cable as “Ethernet cable” but the HDMI signal is being sent over CAT6 cables. There’s no encapsulation into Ethernet frames being done.

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    • GaMEChld@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Didn’t he say that it’s a framework for protocols, not a protocol? Or am I parsing the comment incorrectly?

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I’m talking to a client and say, “All you gotta do is plug in the Ethernet and power to the NUC I sent you.”, they know what that means.

    Vernacular vs. technical usage.

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• deur@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s really cool how a lot of the tech that powers the Internet today is so old. The longevity is astounding!

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• henfredemars@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let’s also mention how cheap basic managed and unmanaged switches are today. I just bought a couple to improve my wiring situation.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Even proper managed switches! Our clients, “I can’t find a free port to plug in the computer you sent.”

    “Is it really worth losing your whole business for a day because you don’t have a $150 Dell from eBay?!”

    And these particular businesses make all their money on one day of the week!

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  • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Optical devices and cables have gone a lot cheaper. Only problem is they are significantly harder to splice and require specialist equipment.

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• Veneroso@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Carrier Pigeon with a 4TB m.2 strapped to it’s back baby!

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  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Long ping times but really decent throughput with running your data over avian carrier.

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    • kungen@feddit.nu ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How’s the retransmission if a packet gets lost though?

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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    • Veneroso@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      RIP in packet loss birb.

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• mspencer712@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ok now I’m curious what I’m missing out on. Can anyone recommend a good PCIe token ring adapter and concentrator?

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  • dhork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m looking for a router that can bridge 10G optical SFP+ to thinnet 10-base-2 coax

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    • mspencer712@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hmm I’ve got an old Compaq 575e with a PCNet32 nic, and an old 3com 3c509 ISA adapter in a closet with 10base2 and AUI ports.

      Use a modem router or managed switch to get down to 100baseT, give this box a Linux distro, enable Ethernet bridging in the kernel, and slaps case this baby can drop almost 20k packets a second, no sweat!

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• Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It works and supports bandwidth well beyond what the vast majority of usecases could ever saturate – and we get new iterations all the time which increase that ceiling. RJ45 connectors and their respective ports are everywhere. Sure, we have “better” types of cables and connectors for networking, but they’re almost always a staggering amount of overkill for the application and are not as common.

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  • BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And don’t make a satisfying click

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    • Kazumara@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      LC connectors on fiber make a nice click too, that’s the type of ethernet I work with at my dayjob.

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  • Eheran@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When did RJ45 last got a relevant update? 1 Gb/s is more than 2 decades old. It is still way more than enough for almost everyone. And it does not need a lot of power to operate.

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    • WanderingCat@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well you can run 10 Gb/s over RJ45 these days too

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• ComradeWeebelo@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why wouldn’t it be? I don’t understand the point of this article. It’s not like some other direct P2P communication medium is going to come along and upend it. It doesn’t really make sense to run fiber inside your home. You don’t need that kind of bandwidth for such a small number of devices and it would be prohibitively expensive since you need a specialized, highly trained technician to run it - unlike Ethernet, where any sufficiently motivated person can do so. I’ve heard that the people that do that make something like $200/he or so.

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  • felbane@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re saying “Ethernet” but what you mean is BASE-T (aka Cat5, Cat6, etc). Ethernet runs over fiber just as well as twisted pair copper.

    The OSI model says hi 👋

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  • datelmd5sum@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here welding fiber is part of pretty basic sparkie training. I’d be surprised if they’d make more than doctors.

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  • Jako301@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1. Running fibre really isn’t as complicated as you make it out to be. The only problem is that you can’t do any 90° turns, so just running it along the walls isn’t possible. And the fact that the lasers each cost about 30€ for your standard 10G connection isn’t really helping either.

    And I really would like to see the job where running fiber gets you $200/hrs, i would switvh to there on the spot. The most complicated part is splicing 2 cables together and that isn’t all too hard with the right tools and machines.

    2. The article isn’t talking about cables at all, but rather the ethernet protocol that is used as a standard for data transfer for a long time now. It has nothing to do with the debat over fiber vs. copper.

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    • FancyFilingCabinet@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe I’m missing something but shouldn’t something like this armoured fibre be fine to run inside your walls?

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  • Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It falls under the low voltage // communications lines in most US states, so standard electricians union pay. It’s pretty good, but not $400,000 salary good.

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  • FancyFilingCabinet@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Depends entirely what type of fiber you want to run. I wouldn’t consider running fibre strands in the home but normal jacketed fiber can be run without anything specialised. The armoured stuff can take a lot more abuse than a standard “Ethernet” cable.

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  • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Gonna need ETHERNET2 to power my WEB3.

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• pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why wouldn’t it be?

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One person wrote an article on it a few weeks ago and for some reason everyone clicked on it, so now similar articles are being written to capitalize on that success.

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• RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  YOU DOUBT THE POWER OF SNAKEY BOI?

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• trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Well, if it ain’t broke…

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  • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … Then we can reuse the solution, sprinkle some unnecessary features, and then resell it as the evolution of a thing and make a butt load of money

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• banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think MIDI is going on 40 years now as well

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• phillycodehound@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  First thing that came to mind was that it clearly wasn’t developed by Google! Thank goodness. It’d be long dead.

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  • long_chicken_boat@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it’s an standard. as long as standards are open (and they should be, by definition) they can’t die as long as there is an use for them.

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    • onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Google has so much pull now that they alone can define a “web standard” by adding it to Chromium/Chrome. If it’s there for more than a year and used by major websites, people will ever forgot it wasn’t agreed upon by all parties. Any other browser will implement it simply because of the market share.

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    • phillycodehound@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well that’s good

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• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Guess it’ll be a while still, until we get optical only setups at home.

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Who needs CSMA/CA when you have CSMA/CD and Full Duplex amirite

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• DaBPunkt@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It has gone a long way from a bus to a p2p.

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