Submitted 1 year ago by nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee to meta@lemm.ee
see linked post. I believe this would count as one of the examples given in the federation policy lemm.ee/post/401063 :
An instance which is knowingly spreading CSAM into the federated network
Yeah we just defederated recently. Abhorrent server. We are also considering adopting the fediseer censure list because there are a lot of other problematic instances.
Everything they don’t like is Bigotry…
There is no “they”. Every server has the ability to tailor its own federation list, fediseer simply spreads out the labor of actually poring through hundreds of different websites by providing a centralized repository of information. We can take that information and use it however we want.
I’m sure we at least agree that CSAM is completely unacceptable, right? So there are some servers that need to be defederated and censured. The only question is how many, and what other problematic behaviors also qualify, and the answer will be slightly different for each server.
Does that alleviate your concerns?
I’m not 100% sure on how Lemmy works with federation, but isnt there a risk of illegal content being mirrored to your instance if someone here hits a post from the bad server too ?
Medias are only hosted by the instance from which the poster is, specifically for this reason. So if someone spreads CSAM on another instance into yours, the only mirrored content is textual but not the offending material
Remote instances do mirror thumbnails.
Ahh ok, thanks for the clarification. As i say wasnt sure, but thought worth mentioning in case.
Do you have an example of CSAM being posted there?
Just mentioning paraphilias in the description is a bit light, especially with the rest of it being pretty tame and inclusive…
They could probably be talking about legal paraphilias like cars and tentacle monsters
Their biggest communities are those devoted to pedo shit. We can safely write this instance off.
Those are run by the insurance admins, too.
Oh wow. Those folks are off the rails... read some discussions over there to see what it's all about... oooooh boy!
Yeah it’s probably a good idea to decouple from that car.
says rimjob steve
This creates a question. Not this specific content, but on the political side of the content. It may be illegal in US, but legal in Russia and vice versa.
How does fediverse address this?
it varies by jurisdiction, but a server hosted in the US would be obligated to avoid serving illegal content whether it was sent from another server, uploaded by the server owner, or posted by a user of the site.
Pretty sure Nazi shit is illegal in Russia.
I think this server should follow Estonia law
i think this server should follow Mazovian law
Not relying on legalistic justifications, for one. Legality is a constraint of whoever the host would be arrested by. It’s not a substitute for having your own standards. You shouldn’t need a legal justification to ban pedos or nazis, no matter where you live. We can’t stop them from making their own online spaces, but we are not obligated to share our spaces worf l with them.
Their site doesn’t even load.
Probably took it down temporarily. Those types of instances don’t like being exposed.
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 1 year ago
This is why I do not believe in free speech absolutism.
Nazi shit, pedo shit, etc. should not be tolerated and there is absolutely nothing wrong with silencing these sick fucks.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 year ago
Coming from a hexbear user. lol
stillwater@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hexbear does encourage reading the original material instead of others people’s thoughts on them. A lot of free speech diehards would be gobsmacked if they ever really read all the defining arguments for free speech and realized that they all have railguards suggested.
IceMan@lemmy.one 1 year ago
The example you gave is a bit unfortunate - the word “Nazi” totally lost it’s meaning and the scope is ever increasing - it’s not more “bad/evil” nowadays. It’s like people forgot another words when disagreeing with someone. It could be you being banned as “nazi” some day and some chump will (mis)quote the paradox of tolerance in comments and pat themselves at the back for all the upvotes :D After all, nobody likes Nazis, right?
Microw@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just because someone used the word wrong doesnt mean we cant ban Nazis. Nazis are a clearly defined bunch. Fascists are a more broader category of people who also shouldn’t be supported. Authoritarian people? That’s where we get into a really big scope.
photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
The word Nazi came from National Socialism, a brand of fascism. We use it to describe fascists; I think it works perfectly well.
Unaware7013@kbin.social 1 year ago
I heard the same shit from conservatives just before Charlottesville
cacheson@kbin.social 1 year ago
Sus.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 year ago
Your kneejerk reaction just proves his point on how dumbass propaganda works.
flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The problem is who gets to decide what’s acceptable and what isn’t? It’s fine IRL because if you say something horrible you get shunned but online you can always find people who agree with you and those people will always make their own echo chambers and isolate themselves
Only way on such a large scale is moderation but that’s a never ending battle and requires a small group of people or single person deciding what’s acceptable
SunriseParabellum@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Yeah! Who gets to decide if it’s acceptable for me to take a shit on the floor at Arby’s? Who died and made you God Arby’s manager?
WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 1 year ago
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BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 year ago
very-intelligent People are rational actors and naturally know that bad ideas are bad.
If that’s how it worked we wouldn’t have fascists everywhere right now.
corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Shut up, nerd
CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I don’t care who gets to decide as long as Nazism and pedophilia isn’t tolerated
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Put it to a vote, simple as. This “who watches the watcher?” bit neoliberals do is nothing but concern-trolling because they have been taught the purpose of the government is to protect property rights, wage war, and nothing more.
In all avenues of life and interaction, we should pursue the use of power by collective assent to improve our conditions, including by stamping out fascists and abusers with a mind not to “justice” but to protecting the people they would victimize.
Nakoichi@hexbear.net 1 year ago
lmfao no you don’t I hear people say horrible shit all the time and nobody speaks up because muh civility, or because the people they are saying it to are at their job and calling it out would be “political.”
You have a child’s understanding of the world.
Helmic@hexbear.net 1 year ago
The entire model of federation is shunning. We are shunning them by defederating. We don’t have to interact with them. You don’t have to interact with them. You don’t have to interact with us, and in fact you could decide to go join the pedos and nazis and nazi pedos on their instances. You won’t, but on a technical level there is no central content moderator for all of the fediverse, only instances practicing free association and maybe cooperating to make that process easier.
But since you lack the authority to make us interact with those groups, you’re left having to choose who you’ll keep company with, and that’ll have consequences as people don’t like nazi or pedo apologists.
ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 1 year ago
You get to decide. Is this instance not democratic when it comes to federation instance decisions? Hexbear admins give us a vote on a per-instance basis.
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 1 year ago
It’s me, I decide, and I decided nazism was bad a long time ago. You really need to get with the program dude.
PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 year ago
We do, through threads like this.