Submitted 1 year ago by randomname01@feddit.nl to selfhosted@lemmy.world
https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/
Doesn't sound like the 'cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on' that the original Pi used to be. It is not as cheap and a power hungry beast, still small, though. More and more like a PC and less and less a small cheap embedded platform. For some people it is a plus (I guess for most people here), for some not so much.
I tend to build my projects on Raspberry Pi Pico now, but sometimes I would need something more powerful and Raspberry Pi 5 will be too much.
The project goal has never been a ‘cheap small computer you can run your hobby electronics project on’. The whole point of the project is to build a small cheap PC to give away to school children to increase computer literacy, while making it attractive enough for normal people to buy to fund the charity side
So the current benefit is: it’s small? At which point run tablets. :)
I’m not sure I’d call 5 watts “power hungry.”
Isn’t the Pi 3B still available for that kind of job?
If you can find a new one. They are $45+ on ebay used. None of the usual US sellers has any.
Not that easily and cheaply as they used to be.
And the 4B
Right now getting compute modules is the hard part. When the inevitable CM5 comes out…
Zero and zero 2 have decent stock anymore.
They don’t have Ethernet port :( Do they support full OS?
You can buy beelink small form factor pcs from Amazon for around $150 with cases and power supplies included.
But…he said that it’s not as cheap as it used to be and too power hungry and you propose an 150$ PC?
This is what I ended up doing last year and it’s been great.
I’ve used pine64 boards for this. They have a few more options and are always available.
I think they still make the older ones if you want something middle-of-the-road.
Yes, the numbers on a Pi aren’t referring to a “version” like with the iPhone, but to it’s power. A Pi Zero isn’t the oldest, it’s the simplest.
Sold by a scalper near you five seconds after it’s sold out at launch
Was able to get rpi3bs easy…4 drops…never saw one that wasn’t overpriced scalped shit.
4s were pretty easy to find pre 2020, I bought one at launch and 2 more before the pandemic hit and I never paid more than MSRP for any of them.
Just wait until the market stabilizes.
These aren’t GPUs in the crypto boom, they don’t produce their own profit. Stop buying from scalpers and the price will crater.
It’s not the everyman buying from scalpers its industry buying cheap pis over plc, when it’s that much cheaper scalper prices isnt much to them. And they need them NOW. Gotta love just in time manufacturing.
At $80 a pop, might get more oomph from an older optiplex if electricity cost isn’t too big of a concern?
Not to mention a used PC is upgradable and can run proxmox
It’s $60… Nobody here is reading the damn article lol
$80 for its 8GB
It seems like people really aren’t reading the article.
It’s definitely worth thinking about your use case and whether a second hand mini-pc of some sort is a better option. Along with the Pi itself many people are probably going to need a new case and quite possibly a power adapter too given the new power profile. An older PC where that’s taken care off, and where you probably have a 120GB SSD included, could be the better option for some people.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| PoE | Power over Ethernet |
| RPi | Raspberry Pi brand of SBC |
| SBC | Single-Board Computer |
[Thread #174 for this sub, first seen 28th Sep 2023, 19:25] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]
I don’t think the SATA acronym is right…
Since switching my server to an x86 based platform, I’m not jumping back to arm any time soon. Maybe some day
Don’t go for a Pi. They don’t run stock Linux anyway.
I would get a board from pine64
Define “stock Linux.”
I guess he means that raspberry pi doesn’t run a mainline kernel
They can, just need correct drivers. We have mainline Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu for them now.
Currently, and I could be wrong, the alternative to a Pi 4 now would be a Pine64’s Quartz64 Model B. A Star64 might be interesting, but that’s RISC-V so who knows what OS you could boot on it currently and if it would even be stable.
Plus with the Quartz64 Model B, who knows if you’ll able to get a good case for it. There’s the $28 “Model B” ALUMINUM WATERPROOF ENCLOSURE, but, eh, no thanks. There’s the open enclosure, but that’s also a no for me. I want a case I can hide the device itself, the cables, put a heatsink and fan on, be able to use an SSD with USB connect and connect a power supply all stuffed in a case. Which you can find plenty of for Raspberry Pi’s.
Not to mention the Pi 5 isn’t even out yet, and it’s entirely possible it’ll be better than the Quartz64 Model B, on top of having a ton of accessories. Plus, I can Pi up practically any Pi at the Microcenter or similar store near me as opposed to having to pay for good shipping.
I’m totally for having alternatives to the Pi, heck I might pick up a Quartz64 Model B if I can find a case, but a lot of alternatives don’t have the same support and accessories the Pis do.
I’m waiting for my RISC-V boards. Fuck this.
Coming to a scalper near you!
…at several vendors, this was just the first one I pulled up.
You’re looking at a month or so wait for delivery at the most if you order now.
Yesterday they still had first batch available so maybe other vendors still do too
Sounds fantastic!
Fan-tastic! 🤭
I’ve been eyeing an Orange Pi 5+ for my RPi4 upgrade — think I may stick with that route, but glad to see RPi putting out another model.
My experience with RPis over the years was that the multimedia was way better supported than alternatives, but for self hosting that’s not really relevant for me (headless, and don’t really care about transcoding).
I ordered an OrangePi 3 recently for pihole purposes and it has been great, it’s also probably overkill for this use but hey it was actually in stock and not terribly expensive.
I wonder why they didn’t add usb-c
Power is USB-C, but the ports aren't because most PC accessories are still USB-A
Never got over social-media-a**hole-gate.
Out of curiosity is there an equivalent SBC to this new 5 model out there?
What’s the social media asshole gate thing you’re talking about? Any links? I’m curious…
One of the most exciting additions to the Raspberry Pi 5 feature set is the single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface.
IIUC PCIe2.0x1 means 0.5GB/s, which is slower than USB 2 (I’m talking USB 2 specs - no idea how USB actually performs in PIs). I can’t wait for people to buy that NVME hat and mount WD Blacks on that :)
USB 2 is 480 Mb/s, not 480 MB/s. 480 Mb/s is 60 MB/s, so the 500 MB/s from PCIe 2.0 x 1 is quite a bit faster and is about the limit of what a SATA 3 interface could do. Also, sequential throughput isn’t nearly as important as most people think. Random IO, which NVMe drives excel at will make a far more noticeable impact on real world performance.
Good catch on my megabit vs megabyte blunder!
Another board that can't play 1080p? Fantastic!
Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Can’t wait to not be able to order one.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Love the fact community is already mocking the fact they have distribution issues. While I had Twitter account their PR team was going full force demonstrating how it can be used and promoting projects that use it… all the while it’s out of stock everywhere. Luckily kind person shared a site which tracks where it can be purchased and for what amount but the mere fact such a tool has to exist just shows there’s a serious problem.