Raspberry Pi 5 Benchmarks: Significantly Better Performance, Improved I/O

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• cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wow the foundation really hates the idea of putting reliable dependable storage on their device.

  Like would it kill you to have an M2 slot?

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Honestly, given the improvement of every other capability in the boards over the years, it’s really mad we don’t have an m.2 slot as an option, even if they ended up having to create a slightly more expensive SKU (which they seem to have no issues with given the memory options for the Pi4)

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    • cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The single least reliable part of a raspberry pi is the storage. Always has been.

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    • thehatfox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Looking at photos of the Pi5 board, the PCIe pins are a separate ribbon connector. I am guessing the M2 hat will just use the GPIO pins for power and hardware detection, and pass the others through.

      I agree it would be have been useful to have an M2 slot (or maybe eMMC connector) integrated indirectly to the board. Other similar SBCs have done so. Perhaps the Pi designers were concerned about board space or thermal considerations. I imagine they want to keep the form factor as similar as possible each version, so they maybe can’t make drastic changes to the board layout.

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    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Likely an issue with the pci express lane not being able to handle nvme and everything else.

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  • towerful@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    An M.2 makes it really difficult for a kid to pop the card out, plug it into a computer and flash it.
    I think RPI Foundation is still holding onto its education-targeted roots.

    I think the compute models are more targeted at the industrial/commercial side of requirements.
    And any homelab enthusiast would probably be better buying a cheap used/refurbished thin-client

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    • thehatfox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, I think the Foundation still favours SD cards because they are cheap and easy to use. Which suits the Pi’s original base of education, hobbyists etc.

      Of course that doesn’t stop the market seeing things differently and dropping Pis straight in to production use cases instead of moving up to the Compute modules.

      I think the SD card problems are a little exaggerated too. They may not be the fastest but they are reliable enough if reputable brands are used.

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  • ackzsel@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, personally I could do without and if it reduces costs I'm for it. Raspberry pi was always about being cheap.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, this should be higher up. Pi’s have usually been around the $35-40 mark, and this one is going to be $100. My B, B+ came as a kit with power supply, SD card, and a cheapo case for $45. Now you can’t even get just the 3B+ for less than $50. My Pi’s are doing boring, simple work like running my 3D printer, running PiHole and a VPN, or being a print server. None need $100 computers to do the job. I guess as long as earlier Pi versions are still available, NBD.

      $100 is starting to price out of the cheap educational/hobbyist/experimenter range and send people looking elsewhere.

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  • merthyr1831@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can boot over Usb now, but yeah would be nice to have m.2

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  • Schmeckinger@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They said they will probably add a M.2 hat.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Voltage is potentially a concern. Can you run the Pi and a M.2 drive on 5V 3A?

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    • bemenaker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep! I run my pi off’a m.2 SSD, I love my case!

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  • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think M.2 would require controller of sorts and would consume considerably more power. However nothing is stopping them from implementing flash chip. Even 8GB is more than enough for what device is normally used.

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    • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think M.2 would require controller of sorts and would consume considerably more power.

      Pretty sure electrically it’s just a Mini PCIe slot, which it already has a controller for.

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• FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They’re gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?

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  • lud@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not impossible to get it if you try.

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    • cosmic_slate@dmv.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted since it’s been dead-simple finding stock of Pi 4s the last few months.

      rpilocator.com/?cat=PI4

      The Pi 5s are probably going to be a little rough to find the first few months as with any new Pi launch because everyone swarms stores for them. Like the 4 and 3 that came before it.

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  • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think that the rpi4 came out before the supply chain issue caused by Covid.

    Before that, it was easy to get a Rpi. It was an issue getting any kind of electronic parts for any kind of project. You had to secure your supply for your production first before starting a project. It was never seen before.

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    • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They admitted to supplying hundreds of thousands a month to bulk customers over the last 2 years while none made their way to consumer resellers.

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    • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My issue with their distribution methods is that they prioritized business customers during that time. They still produced RPis, but preferentially sent them to companies who use them in their products. This is completely removed from their original mission.

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  • xenoclast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re wrong. They’re not GOING to. They already have and won’t stop. They’re copying Nvidia.

    Build your business off the backs of consumers and good will until you don’t need them anymore. Then fuckem.

    They’re doing a great at capitalism.

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• MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What annoys me about all these RPi articles is the praise for improved performance and all the projects you can do with it, etc. But you can’t find the damn thing to purchase. It’s always out of stock everywhere I look. So much so I have given up on it completely. There are other competitor products with lower price that are fully compatible or I’ll just end up using old phone.

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  • BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    rpilocator.com

    They are way easier to find now than last year. Which ruined my little home project

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    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      jesus christ those Pi Zero prices.

      This shit has gotten stupid.

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    • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thank you very very much.

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• f__@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Wow, can’t wait to not be able to buy one!

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  • VicentAdultman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    *cries in third country. Is it the same in North America (Canada and USA) and Europe?

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    • StickBugged@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes. (Sweden)

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Almost the same fcomment I came here to make.

    I cant wait to not be able to afford one.

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  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have just been buying small Linux computers on Amazon and hooking them up to Arduinos for all my projects. I probably won’t buy a raspberry pi again since it’s working so well

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    • thejodie@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I got some old celeron N4100 4gb RAM/128gb NVME Thinkpad 11Es for $50ea with the power adapters. With as useful as they’ve been, I’m sold on doing something like that in the future.

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• Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are many small DIY computers on the market now, not just Raspberry Pi.

  Orange Pi, Banana Pi, Asus Tinkerboard, …

  Those usually don’t have delivery issues.

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  • bemenaker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The only problem is the shitty support they have. Just bought an orange pi zero 3 and can’t find any documentation for using the gpios

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    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can’t find a schematic for the pins?

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  • bob@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Orange Pi delivery is only available via Ali Express or Amazon though.

    Stock does seems low on Raspberrys, but I picked up a pi 4 last week without issue.

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• pubertthefat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I haven’t followed Raspberry Pi for years - when did they go from $25-35 to $100+?

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  • sebinspace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I bought a Pi 3 for $25 when it came out.

    Sold it for $115 a few months ago.

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    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Weird, I ordered a Pi 4B 4GB months back for 55bux or so. They’re still under 70 and available on Amazon lawl. Someone got ripped

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    • judas@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Got a $35 Pi 3B+ like 6 years ago or something, and sold it for $60 a couple of months back. Also had a Pi 4 (4 GB) that I also sold a couple of months back, and got $170 for it. The guy didn’t even haggle. People who want a Pi really want a Pi, lol.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Scalpers. They haven’t been available since pandemic, plus the Pi 4 was designed in 2019 so is pretty old technology at this point.

    I’m hoping the Pi 5 is their big comeback: modern, twice as fast, improvements in cases and hats, etc

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• circuscritic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is great news, for business customers, as they’re those are the only channels they’ll be available to.

  Well, unless you don’t mind spending $200-$400 per unit to scalpers, who magically never seem to run out of stock.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is great news… for business customers, as they’re those are the only channels they’ll be available through.

    Could you elaborate, as I would imagine you’d be able to buy it from anywhere that wants to sell it, if not online?

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    • circuscritic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ever since the pandemic they’ve diverted 99% of all available inventory to business only sales channels. They blamed the chip shortage, but it’s been several years now ongoing.

      You can only find the lowest tier crap stock, old stock, or scalped stock, from retail sellers.

      This is very well documented and they’re websites setup to check stock across multiple resellers in the hopes of finding that 1% of retail allocation.

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    • jsh@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s the problem. They’re always out of stock.

      www.adafruit.com/search?q=raspberry pi 4 www.sparkfun.com/categories/233

      You’d even be hard pressed to find one at a Micro Center or some other physical store.

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  • bery@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I can find a raspberry pi 4 set for like 80-90€, but it’s on AliExpress…

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    • tacosplease@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You sure it’s not a knock off being sold as the real thing? Or maybe it doesn’t matter if the hardware is the same.

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• hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m a little disappointed to not see AV1 decoding mentioned, since Broadcom has had one for years now.

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  • Indicah@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well they clearly don’t care about video transcoding since they removed h264.

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    • macaroni1556@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      REMOVED H264??!

      well then

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    • Chobbes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Jesus, I thought you were joking, but I looked it up and almost did a spit-take…

      • www.yodeck.com/news/raspberry-pi-5/
      • raspberrypi.com/…/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/#com…

      Wat. Isn’t that a fairly big deal?

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• Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Obviously I got a RPi4 just a couple months ago, after struggling for 2-3 years… Well, crap.

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  • evatronic@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I was going to say, will I ever be able to buy one?

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    • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I was able to buy 2 Pi4's while trying to source 20.

      They cost 2 and 5 times the expected price.

      I ended up converting the project to use VIA industrial x86 boards instead. Reliable supply and reliable price.

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    • Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you talking about RPi4 or RPi5? RP4 can be now found easily, at least in my region (Spain).

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  • beckerist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    [deleted]

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    • popekingjoe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There were a lot of supply chain issues in general that also affected the RP.

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    • Engywuck@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes. Availability of RPi4 has been low to none over the past 2-3 years.

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• dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So you’re telling me Rpi’s can finally emulate N64 games at full speed.

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  • Asudox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Revolution.

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    • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, Project Reality.

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• dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would love to upgrade my few 3b+ units, if you could actually buy this. It’ll likely be out of stock for eternity, just like the 4 was

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  • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    not to judge, but buying 3 billion+ raspberry pis seems like a lot!

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    • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, it is I, the CEO of Broadcom

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  • nostradiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In the Czech Republic it will be available on 27/10 and I already preordered 2 units with 100% guarantee of delivery next day of release through 3rd party reseller who has big reputation in our country considering Raspberry Pi stuff.

    It’s 100$ for 8GB but you cannot buy it cheaper in our country and when I order it from official store I have to pay 21% tax + custom fee up to 15% + burocracy fee 5%, while filling dozens of forms and waiting endlessly for package to arrive and go through burocracy roller coaster. Fck that…

    Where are you from and how much do you pay for it?

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    • nostradiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok, the amount of Pi’s 5 for guaranteed delivery next day is sold out, but I’m in (first batch gone in 6 hours). 🙆‍♂️ The other’s will receive Pi’s until Christmas. The mania has begun.

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  • PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can buy a 4 today… they were out of stock for so long because of the pandemic

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• dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can we get a usb-c port with data? And more power supply to the ports? I hate having to power hard disks with a separate cable.

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• drudoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I really wish they would have stuck 32/64GB storage or something like that on it, so the OS could boot without external reliance. Give the Pi0 8GB and it would be perfect.

  I boot my Pi4 and Pi3 from SSD and it’s great but it’s clunky with the SSD and adapter.

  I’m seriously considering a N100/N305 mini pc instead of my Pi.

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• Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So for how much :-D

  I’d take a cheap slow one any day…

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  • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A cheap slow AVAILABLE one.

    Like seriously, I've had horrible success trying to source Pi3/4 in the past few years and due to their bad availability, they cost so much it often end up opting for something different.

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  • Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Man I really want something in the full size form factor but with a CPU closer to a zero2, basically I want a pi3 modernised and cost optimised, not another more powerful pi.

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    • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah I want a cheaper zero with less power use, very few of my projects come close to using all the zeros resources so if they could do similar spec cheaper and modernized it would be amazing

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• Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What I’d like to see is something like an updated and optimised ~pi3-spec device with EMMC or an m.2 sata slot. Yes I know I can put a pi zero2 into a breakout board, but they connect via USB and that severely limits performance.

  I recently decommissioned my pis (2x 3b and 1x 4b) and replaced them all with a single intel n95 based NUC (which cost less than a single pi4 8gb at the time) and I didn’t need any real gpio other than some serial ports, but if the right device came along with reliable storage I’d consider moving back to pis.

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• vext01@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Any power management support yet?

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  After a difficult few years of global supply chain woes leading to limited available and heightened retail pricing on the Raspberry Pi single board computers, today there is finally an update to the family.

  Also interesting with the Raspberry Pi 5 is that it features in-house silicon in the form of the RP1 “southbridge” used for much of the board’s I/O capabilities.

  This southbridge should yield faster USB I/O along with other I/O bandwidth upgrades like a doubling of the peak SD card performance.

  The Raspberry Pi 5 also features a single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface for improved connectivity.

  The Raspberry Pi 5 also features 802.11ac WiFi, Bluetooth 5.0 / BLE, the usual microSD card slot.

  The Raspberry Pi 5 features two USB 3.0 ports, two USB 2.0 ports, Gigabit Ethernet, 2 x 4-lane MIPI transcievers, PCIe 2.0 x1 via a M.2 HAT or other adapter, 5V DC power via USB-C, the classic Raspberry Pi 40-pin GPIO header, and the two micro HDMI outputs.

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• SchizoDenji@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Genuinely stupid question, but can someone tell me how many 1080p HEVC/REMUX streams can I run on this with jellyfin?

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• float@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Look at the image! You just have to relocate the SMD resistor with the memory label to get the 8GB version from the smaller ones for free. Trust me, I’m an engineer!

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• UnD3Rgr0uNDCL0wN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Amazon UK is listing a barebones pi4 for £165. Links back to the Pi storefront too. With what people are saying about scalpers people should let the company know on their socials how they feel about “businesses” getting all the stock and the prices to individuals.

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  • applejacks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    why in the hell are RPs do damn proprietary?

    Never understood why other company can’t produce clones for ultra cheap.

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• Oddbin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-5?variant=4253…

  £59.30 for the 4gig. £79 for the 8gig. No idea why people are going off thinking they need to spend £165.

  Pre-order info page with dates etc:

  support.thepihut.com/hc/en-us/…/13847961024925

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• CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Did they back out of their police associations?

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