'A cavity is not a vagina': Trans woman refused healthcare in France

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• Mr_Blott@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ragebait headline - what he actually said was “A cavity is not a classic vagina” which is a completely different sentence, and correct.

  Specifically designed to make you angry

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  • WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    He also said this

    even if they have shaved their beards and come to tell my secretary that they have become women

    Let’s not pretend that the doctor wasn’t acting transphobic.

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• MrMonkey@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The only reason a trans woman would go to a gynecologist is to raise a stink. No other reason, no “healthcare” reason. I hate people who go out of their way be to a “victim”.

  “There is no recommendation for a trans woman to have regular gynaecological check-ups, unless she has a surgical problem related to the operation, because she doesn’t have a uterus or a cervix,” she added.

  Fucking drama queen.

  Seriously, what’s a gyno supposed to do? The parts they specialize in aren’t there. I can’t imagine being so pathetic that I go out of my way to cause problems for some random doctor.

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  • HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Post op trans women need gynecological services. If, however, you’re a trans woman who has had bottom surgery to create a vagina (vaginoplasty) and possibly a cervix, there’s a very small risk that you can develop cancer in the tissues of your neo-vagina or neo-cervix. The risk depends on the type of surgery you had, the type of tissue used to create your vagina and cervix and your personal health history. Talk to your healthcare provider to figure out your specific cancer-screening needs as part of your overall pelvic health following surgery. So neither shit stirring nor seeking unnecessary healthcare are necessarily at play here.

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    • theKalash@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For cancer screeings you want to see an Oncologists.

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  • Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It's possible that she had "a surgical problem related to the operation." So maybe she was in the right place? We don't know if this medical complaint was ever brought up during her visit.

    I think the medical profession needs to be explicitly clear on what kind of care and where transwomen (and transmen) should seek care for what kind of issue. And in considerate, non transphobic language. That way everyone is on the same page.

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    • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      She’s not in the right place because she is biologically male. Gynaecologists don’t treat males.

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• halfempty@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don't understand why someone without a vagina would go to a gynecologist.

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  • Drusas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I'm very trans friendly, and I agree. A gynecologist is there to help you with things related to your Volvo, vagina, uterus, fallopian tubes. If you don't have any of those things, there is nothing a gynecologist can do for you.

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• Atomic@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “I told her that I’m not competent, but I can guide you. I can refer you to services that can take better care of you. But after I said that, things went south,” gynaecologist Victor Acharian told Euronews.

  Talk about the article just wanting to stir shit with the headlines. And so many of you are falling for it.

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  • PizzasDontWearCapes@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The comments about only treating “real women” and not men who “shave their beards” and “tell my secretary that they are a woman” are problematic

    The patient needs to be educated about their body and the medical community needs to evolve to better serve trans people as well

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    • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nothing they said is problematic or wrong. They care about sex, not gender. They’re medical professionals that deal with specific parts of the female reproductive system.

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• melonpunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  gynaecology: the area of medicine concerned with disorders and functions of women’s reproductive organs

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• Anonymousllama@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Was she going there just for the experience or something? What was the end goal she was looking for here…

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  • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is actually a chance to develop cancer in that region as a trans person. Also to check up hormon levels etc., there are a lot of valid reasons

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• Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So this doctor is a complete douchbag and should not be practicing medicine. But he’s also not entirely wrong. Medically speaking what your gender is is irrelevant most of the time. Of course it applies to any procedures you may be undergoing or medications you may be taking to alter your body to match your gender but that’s about it. Any competent doctor will of course respect your gender identity because understanding and having a good relationship with the patient is important. But medically speaking they care more about whether you are at risk for prostate cancer or uterine cysts and your biological sex (alongside your medical history) is a much better indicator of that (outside of relatively rare exceptions). If you are a trans woman who has had bottom surgery then not every gyno is going to have the skillset to help you because that just isn’t what many of them are trained for. I’ve definitely had my doctor tell me I need to see someone else for certain issues because they just didn’t have the skillset to help. Of course there are far better ways to say that than how this “doctor” chose to do so, but him not providing care that he wasn’t trained to provide isn’t the issue here. His douchbag attitude and him not providing a referal to a doctor who could help is the issue.

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  • nBodyProblem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Agreed with everything you said except that, according to the article, he initially did offer a referral to another doctor. It was only after she got angry that the discourse escalated and he said offensive things in response.

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    • Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ah. I must have missed that. In that case it’s a little more understandable. He just got pissed off and snapped. Even so you need to be a little more thick skinned than that if you want to be a doctor. I don’t know all of the details of course but he still shouldn’t have sunk to insults.

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• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is just rage bait. The title is intentionally misleading.

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• Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yank the bastards license. He’s clearly ignorant of medical facts and violating his oath

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  • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ignorant of medical facts? Which ones exactly? Does a trans woman have a female reproductive system?

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• Silverseren@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I see there's a lot of ignorant bigots in this comment section making claims without any actual knowledge on the topic.

  From the Canadian Cancer Society: "If, however, you’re a trans woman who has had bottom surgery to create a vagina (vaginoplasty) and possibly a cervix, there’s a very small risk that you can develop cancer in the tissues of your neo-vagina or neo-cervix."

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    there’s a lot of angry little terfs in here. And a disturbing number of people who seem to think the **only **thing a gyno does is peer up a clacker with a torch.

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• Alpharius@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This comment section is a warzone

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  • Silverseren@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is certainly the most transphobic bigots I've seen in a thread on the Fediverse.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lemmy.zip

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• qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have to ask: considering the profound surgical intervention required to aid a person transition, are there any life lasting specialized care needs to assure health? Or after normal surgery recovery that’s it?

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    from what I know of a friend: There’s some stretching required of the new vaginal entrance (medically prescribed dildos back in fashion!) and yes, trans women can potentially develop cancer much like their cis counterparts. Generally advised to get it checked every so often to make sure it’s all up to snuff.

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    • viking@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      can potentially develop cancer much like their cis counterparts

      No. Very much unlike their cis counterparts, a female transperson has no uterus, no fallopian tubes, or any other part commonly found in a vagina. They can develop topical cancers such as skin cancers or subdermal cancers as in literally any tissue anywhere in their bodies, but those are not cancers generally found during a pap-smear (which is the primary domain of a gyno). Any sufficiently skilled GP or dermatologist would be equally or better suited.

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    • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not at all true. You can’t get cervical cancer without a cervix.

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    • qyron@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And is that care provided by general practice gynecologists or specialized ones?

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  • Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Trans women are lifelong medical patients. Those that get “bottom surgery” almost all seem to need follow up surgeries to fix issues because it’s literally a gaping wound that needs to be regularly “dilated” to keep from closing up which would cause even bigger medical issues.

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• Whirlybird@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Why was a trans woman going to a gynaecologist? They have no business there. They don’t have a vagina or a uterus or any of the parts that gynaecologists look at.

  The only reason was to try and kick up this exact stink, to try and sue them for being tRaNsPhObIc.

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• Demigodrick@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  im locking this as there are multiple reports of transphobia and bigotry. It appears the comments are devolving into personal attacks.

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