Phones are computers. Phones are the most popular personal computers in the world. Many people only have a phone and no other computers.
Your Phone is an Entire Computer
Submitted 3 weeks ago by JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://medhir.com/blog/your-phone-is-an-entire-computer
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paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s me. Outside work, I dumped PCs a decade back and have lived a much better digital life.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hate using a phone. It’s small, the screen is tiny, the keyboard sucks (all touchscreen keyboards suck), you can’t have more than one thing in the tiny screen at a time (yes split screen exists and Android has freeform windows, but they suck even more).
A desktop is a breeze to use. It feels liberating to use after being on a phone.
kittykillinit@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
???
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mainly just turn mine on. Not a lot of work.
I mean, it’s been a lot of work lately because I’m learning a new OS and mucking about with shuffling some data around on a couple different drives, but for the last 5 years or so, the “work” involved in keeping my desktop running was mainly plugging it in again after moving to a new apartment.
kingofras@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sir this is a Lemmy’s
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ugh sounds like my nightmare. I try to keep the phone away and only use desktops or laptops. I just use the phone for calls, texts, photos, Lemmy/rss and some light web browsing.
Strive7307@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
Can you elaborate more on that? In my experience unless you set up a complicated NAS or home server setup maintaining a personal computer doesn’t require much upkeep. I prefer it over a phone because of the physical keyboard and superior window / tab / organization options.
PS: Wrote this comment from my phone anyway 🥲
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
“right to root” would prevent so much eWaste.
I would love a variant that is like, if you stop delivering security and minor fixes/backports to a device, you have to give access to root or better even to the bootloader.umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
better yet, open source it when it gets abandoned.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The problem is that it allows users to detect when they’re connected to a phony cell tower like the ones police and ICE use to intercept communications, and we Can’t Have That.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You could always boot whatever operating system you like on Macs.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Ok?
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People willingly buy blatantly proprietary systems, then publicly muse why they don’t have freedom to do with them what they want.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s easy to get mad at people for not knowing the things we know. It’s incredibly frustrating. But then they know things we don’t. Turns out there’s way too much stuff to know and we can’t all know everything.
Modern life is unbelievably complicated and everyone is failing to manage that complexity to a level that would satisfy all the idealists. In light of all that, I find it hard to blame them for it.
orioler25@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know how many normies you talk to, the vast majority of Apple product owners I meet wouldn’t even know what a proprietary system is, let alone what makes Apple exceptionally bad for it. If it isn’t for jewelery, many of those people are also just buying Apple machines because there is a perceived and real quality gap between them and other options. They think there’s just two major OS’s to chose from and a Chromebook if you’re poor.
Its true though, it is funny and annoying when people who understand what an Apple product is buys it and then acts surprised that it functions as advertised. I think most of these articles are written by people who are trying to warn average people and make sure the issue is platformed.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think you missing the point if the neo. Prices are going up everywhere, but Apple has a lock in on the parts used to make that neo from older contracts.
So while everyone is selling shit based on the current landscape, Apple can take an older cell phone chip and ram and make an entire laptop out of it. The pricing pressures are different and they will sell like crazy because the consumer market just wasn’t important anymore…until Apple wanted it.
Love or hate Apple, this is a very good thing for the consumer.
eleitl@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The point the blog author was making: “I’m bothered, as I have been since the original iPad introduction 16 years ago, by the unnecessary restrictions placed by corporate powers to run third-party software and operating systems on devices we own.” Open source operating systems do not restrict the freedom of the user.
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I will risk dying of laughter if THIS is what finally pisses off the Apple cult.
becausechemistry@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
We have been complaining about this shit for YEARS.
NeilBru@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And yet… you still… never mind. Not worth it.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
There are “pissed off, not the same, Jobs wouldn’ta dunit” sentiments for almost every new product by Apple.
So I don’t think anything will change much.
Anyway, this is a return to roots. They were, you know, a mainstream consumer oriented company at some point. With an implicit but almost explicit claim that “we don’t do the crap others do”.
I’m optimistic. It’s quality attacking quantity. We’ve had a personal computer market with quantity winning over quality every damn year since about 2003, and it has been getting worse and worse. If the pendulum is starting to move in the opposite direction, it’s very cool.
And yes, megabytes of RAM are quantity.
But admittedly I’m a couple weeks’ old convert.
Xylight@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
Im surely not the only one who thinks this article is ai generated? it spams the exact same structure and has the typical smells
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
general computing finally died to capitalism
redditmademedoit@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
This is the result of two decades of deliberate, calculated effort by the largest technology companies on earth to turn users into consumers, instruments into appliances, and technical literacy into a niche hobby for weirdos.
Has there ever been a time when computer geeks weren’t consider a weird group of outsiders?
BTW, I was raised on MS-DOS and it didn’t help my computer literacy one bit (heheh). I still can barely navigate my computer in the CLI, much less build anything or do anything cool from some internalized “mental model” of how a computer works. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of toddlers running around with Arduinos and doing all manners of mind blowing shit.
DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It would technical possible for Apple to have dual boot, and you could boot macOS when you connect to an external display. But I guess it would not be good for business
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not even dual boot. The core OS is the same. Just have two UI. One for phone one for desktop.
Apple will never do this because they sell hardware.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That‘s an easy idea, but pretty difficult to make work.
pie_enjoyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That wouldn’t be even needed. Just add back macos features to iOS and iPadOS
sunbeam60@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
That’s what they’re doing. They clearly would prefer people to move to iOS, that smells a bit like MacOS, as it’s a damn sight more profitable to both sell you hardware and software 30% cuts.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
iOS and iPadOS have fundamental design decisions, that make it unsuitable for desktop like use. The whole every all lives in their own sandbox and files being silo’d isn’t suitable.
timwa@lemmy.snowgoons.ro 2 weeks ago
It would be quite nice if they added some MacOS features back to MacOS instead of trying desperately to turn it into a mobile phone OS.
That said, Sequoia is so objectively awful it finally gave me the kick I needed to nuke my MacBook Air and install Asahi, and I’m genuinely really impressed. The only shame is having to waste 80gb of disk for a MacOS partition that I’ll never use, but otherwise it’s actually good enough to be a daily driver.
MinoriMirariRProductions@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
yep
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You’ve built a generation that can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated app and calls it innovation.
I mean, a .tar would have made sense as example,
unzipis also a tool (“app”). And not merely for convenience, the format is not simple. Unlike tar, which you could dd to unpack.vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
The quote is funny for me, I can’t extract a zip file without a dedicated application, I don’t talk the language of
moisture vaporatorsdeflate, and certainly not fast enough.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
On the MacBook Neo, I can even opt to not use MacOS at all and instead install Asahi Linux if I so choose (assuming Apple continues to allow custom kernel booting as it has in M-series Macs).
The author is jumping the gun a lot there. The Asahi team recently started getting the M3 support kind of working, but still need to reverse engineer the new GPU and various other things that make them different from M1 and M2 laptops. It will be years until we get anywhere close to support of the Neo.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
This model is absolutely short-circuiting the brains of the Apple haters. It upends everything they’ve been complaining about for a decade; all the same arguments that had merit 10 years ago but were mostly resolved 5 years ago (meanwhile, little said about the things Apple currently is terrible about.)
This laptop is:
- cheap
- repairable
- runs a full os
It is not:
- upgradable, but what laptop is these days.
Seriously, it address three of the biggest complaints against Apple historically, and we’re supposed to be mad the phone doesn’t runs desktop OS? Was under the impression the phone didn’t run a full OS because of technical limitations?
Apple could’ve launched a $599 laptop that ran iPadOS, but they didn’t and yet there’s still complaints.
voidsignal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
upgradable, but what laptop is these days?
Oh, you poor ignorant fanboy…
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Fair enough, enthusiast laptops do. I can’t think of a sub $1,000 mainstream consumer laptop that is.
datendefekt@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It is not:
- upgradable, but what laptop is these days?
I got a used Framework for under 600€, upgraded the keyboard, speakers and motherboard. The old motherboard is now one of my home servers in a dedicated case.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
A used (aka older) version of a product whose biggest selling point is repairability is hardly indicative of where the industry is currently. And being used, the price you paid doesn’t mean anything either.
Despair@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ifixit.com/…/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-m…
The laptop is built on an A18 Pro, a mobile chip first seen in the iPhone 16 Pro, which limits the machine to 8 GB of RAM. Storage comes in 256 or 512 GB, and whichever one you buy is the one you keep.
www.canadacomputers.com/en/search?s=sodim&filter[… They could have easily made the RAM and Storage user serviceable/upgradeable, and from what I can find, they don’t provide a way for the enduser to expand storage with a secondary SSD/HDD either, so you’re either forced to carry around an external hard drive for a product that is meant to be portable, or use cloud storage where you might not always have reliable access to the internet/data caps.
Anecdotal, but the only component that has ever failed on me is a hard drive, if that happened to me on the new mac book, it would be e-waste.
blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Not allowing a 1TB option certainly is a choice, and one that can be criticized. But I don’t think it’s fair to say they could have “easily” made the RAM upgrade (certainly not user upgradable) at that price point. It used the A series because they make billions of them, and ram has not been upgradable in them.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They could have easily made the RAM and Storage user serviceable/upgradeable
Nope, they couldn’t have, since the A18 pro chipset doesn’t support modular memory at all, of expanding it past 8gb. It’s a phone chip after all. There’s also the fact that Apple has equipped all their devices with unified memory, which, if they even managed to make it upgradable, all chips would need to support massive memory bus widths to have the same or similar bandwidth (requiring more modules), would need proprietary modules or at least rare modules like SOCAMM, and would reduce the space inside the chassis for anything else, like battery, modular ports, etc.
Sure, I hate Apple’s antics in terms of lack of right to repair, but frankly they produce arm based computers, where have you ever seen an arm based laptop or mini pc with modular RAM? I’m sure some exist but they’re likely too obscure for me to have heard of (although I have heard of System76’s Thelio Astra, although again they are a bit obscure outside Linux circles.)
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
I’ll care about climate change the day they do.
But every time I need to throw away perfectly good electronics makes me resentful of the idea that climate change is our fault any further than the fact these fucking people breathe air in Minecraft.
RblScmNerfHerder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s like saying ‘my partner and I smoke, in the house, and we should both stop because it’s killing us and our family members who don’t smoke. Even though I have the ability to stop, or otherwise drastically reduce my smoking, which would be beneficial to everyone, I’m just going to continue because they won’t stop.’
Zero logic here.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Makes me think of either the Fairphone or the Nothing Phone that originally advertised that it could be used as a desktop computer thanks to USB-C ports and I thought that was a brilliant notion. I really don’t see why Apple couldn’t just do the same. I mean, I can see why (DAT MONAY!) but it would be awesome for folks to have such flexibility with their devices.
voidsignal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Been doing that with a Librem 5 for many years.
FrChazzz@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Librem! That’s the phone I was thinking of, not the others
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
No duh.
texture@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the bottom right is giving us the finger. fuck you too apple 😆
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So are SIM cards.
Steve@communick.news 2 weeks ago
They have been since the beginning.
That’s literally why I got an OG Motorola Droid. I said to myself “I can have a full computer in my pocket!”
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
The whole point of the article is that the new MacBooks are running on iPhone hardware. And that therefore there’s no reason for you not being able to install MacOS on your iPhone. Even your old droid was locked down and you were not able to install a real OS which would have given you the freedom to run what you want without restrictions
Steve@communick.news 2 weeks ago
Its wasn’t. I rooted it, installed a few OS’s, it even ran Linux. Since the very beginning, the only limits on smartphones have been what software ‘they’ want you to run.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The only difference is UI. I operate my phone in my hand with my thumb, not on my lap or on a desk from a keyboard.
artyom@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I remember one time I had a coworker sit down next to me with her MacBook, iPhone, iPad and iWatch and that was an “aha!” moment for me. She had spent like 5x more than she would have if 1 or 2 devices could do all of those things.
penguin@lemmy.pixelpassport.studio 2 weeks ago
I went to the Verizon store to buy an iPhone when the droid first launched, the rep said “you don’t want that phone, check this one out” and showed me the droid. So glad I didn’t get roped into that ecosystem.
I still miss CyanogenMod dearly…
Steve@communick.news 2 weeks ago
Yah. It had customizations nobody has anymore.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I had an Atrix 4G back in the day.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
For me, it was around 2013 an iPad nano, thinking how awesome having an iPhone with unlimited internet would be, because I could listen anything on demand on the go Then I got my 4s as first self bought iPhone.
I realised, how macOS like it is, as I had jailbroken it.