Never Trump Republicans are still issuing dire warnings. Is anyone listening?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz⁩ to ⁨aboringdystopia@lemmy.world⁩

https://apnews.com/article/never-trump-principles-first-midterms-ac53503464f9ce05a8de678cc4d89737

“Our nation’s institutions have been shaken. Our alliances have been strained. Our credibility has been damaged. And our nation’s values have been cast aside,” Hertling said. He suggested the U.S. should look to the reconstruction of Germany after the defeat of Nazism if it hoped to to restore the damage caused by Trump and his allies.

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Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oh, you mean all the Republicans that quit, or refused to run for re-election in the face of Trump’s take-over of their party?

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- Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No he means the Nuremburg trials where they were put to death.
  
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daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

NATIONAL HARBOR, Md. (AP) — Over and over, the Republicans and former Republicans who gathered just outside Washington this weekend warned that President Donald Trump and his allies in Congress are tearing at the very fabric of American democracy.

Really don’t fucking want to hear it after Republicans have been working their asses off to get us to this point for the past 30+ years. Republicans can fuck ALL the way off. The Overton window in the US was already stupid 30 years ago and it’s just gotten worse. “Centrists” are either politically ignorant of what they actually support, or are essentially fascists who want to fuck liberal women.

Sure, they want to disassociate themselves from the fascists? I’m not even sure I believe them, but why now and not 15-20-25+ years ago? No, you fuckheads wanted to play the games and ride the coattails of fascism to power. So you can fuck off.

…I might be a bit passionate about this topic. lol

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GalacticSushi@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Trump is the republican party now whether you like it or not. Never Trump Republican is an oxymoron. If you’re a never Trump “republican” you really need to just switch parties at this point, otherwise you’re just a drop of dirty water in an ocean of piss.

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- kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Especially with the Democrats adopting even the worst of the pre-Trump Republicans. Does anyone seriously have fundamental ideological differences with Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, and Dick Cheney without being a leftist?
  
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  - hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    But for every voter they lose in the city playing to the rich and connected’s interests, they will pick up two nazis in the suburbs! Any election now it’s going to work. /s
    
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TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If you would still consider yourself Republican at this point. I assume you want to be part of the problem more than the solution

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- pet1t@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Can’t expect a lifelong republican to turn democrat all of a sudden, tho. There’s still a lot of nuance on both sides, but there’s only two sides to choose from.
  
  Man am I glad at times l like these to have like 17 parties to choose from in my country.
  
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  - TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I can
    
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PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No I’m actually done listening to Republicans and their bullshit.

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6stringringer@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This and other news you’ll find here in the “No Shit Files”.

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VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
They’ve been doing it all the way since the Trump 2.0 election.

Liberals have been doing it since Trump itself.

Project 2025 was pretty much out there.

Epstein files are literally a guide book of who is covering things up.

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ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How is Chris Christie never Trump? He endorsed him?

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- Carmakazi@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He called Trump a lunatic unfit for office (I forget his actual words) while he was running his presidential campaign, then gave his full-throated endorsement with a smile once he dropped out, hoping to get a good position in the Trump 2016 administration. He got a bullshit job “handling” the opiate crisis.
  
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Ghyste@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No.

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hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The problem with that statement, is that it ignores the rot in those institutions that allowed the leader of the party to seize control and subordinate the government to him. Same as with these democrats. Anything unfairly attacked and the establishment lead their sheep and cynical bedfellows to defend the attacked in all things. Be it one of our captured federal agencies, and they all are captured by the forces they are supposed to control and regulate, or the democratic process.

Everyone knows the system isn’t working well, and that it’s getting worse. By not acknowledging that, let alone trying to fix it, they lose credibility, and support. The president got a lot of supporters because he did acknowledge the rot in the country, and promised to fix it. He looked like he was fighting the system, and a victim of it too, and we all know the voters by and large don’t know better.

Everything was strained before, the president took control through the alternate reality the rich funneled us into, not just republican aligned voters but corporate media’s “center left” aligned crowd as well is in an alternate reality to different degrees.

Without offering popular reform there is no way to take the country back, and Christie and his ilk are the old guard whose mission is to prevent popular reform.

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- Crankenstein@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The problem with this is that you still believe the system is simply broken and must be fixed.
  
  We tried reform once before, a century ago with the slow shifting from Gilded Age to the New Deal reforms, and we simply came right back around to the owning class once again treating this country as their personal playground.
  
  The system doesn’t need reform. It fundamentally reinforces the power of the owning class and their system of private ownership over the land and its resources that rightfully belong to everyone. You cannot reform it out of that fundamental structure. It needs complete and total replacement with something fundamentally different.
  
  The only thing this system was ever meant to control and regulate was the working class to keep us subservient to the owning class.
  
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  - hector@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The new deal did work amazingly well. After the war the US working class acheived the highest standard of living ever in history hands down, even a minimum wage job paid for a dignified life, for a family.
    
    You can’t go by inflation adjusted numbers as they’ve changed the inflation calculations to understate them, 5-8% average from the 70s to 2008 under the unchanged metric 2-3% under the new ones they tweaked multiple times to get lower numbers. Compound fuckery that has been a pay cut every year by default, the difference going to the investor/owner class.
    
    Whatever failings still existed, the new deal showed that organized labor, and a more honest government working for voters not donors, can deliver.
    
    I disagree, I believe not only that we can seize control of the system and restore the glory of the postwar years, but that trying to burn down the old system and put in a new one will end in tragedy, that we are in NO position to do such a thing, that powerful interests would hijack the doing of such a thing and make everything worse, and so forth.
    
    The constitution is good, it’s a solid base, the problem is it’s not being followed. Since before we were born, the interstate commerce clause and the 10th amendment were flouted to the point of ridiculity. The feds are not supposed to have this power, they regulate interstate commercy, while being forbidden from putting barriers to trade between states or restricting movement of people. Everything not explicitly delegated to them by the constitution is reserved for the states per the 10th.
    
    They fucked this centuries ago, and we would be better off restoring the government to the constitution, than trying to make a new one. The Bill of rights, and the amendments, are solid. The system could use some new amendments, maybe redoing presidential electors. But it would lose importance if we brought the executive branch, and the federal government as a whole, back to the bounds of the constitution, where it’s not involved in almost all of the shit it’s involved in.
    
    States might suck, but you can move to one that doesn’t. It’s not a bad system, the best we could hope for, and better than anything that would result from replacing it.
    
    Which is not to say we don’t raze and burn the oligarchy, they are in violation of our laws, and obviously we lay them to waste, that’s the only way we restore the constitution. Purge institutions, new leadership everywhere from business to government. And putting the rich on a leash, and taking ill gotten gains back from them, if not, more final remedies to their fuckery.
    
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