The comments keep mentioning Linux phones, have they managed to get Linux running on mobile hardware that I won’t have to go on an archaeological dig for?
Android will become a locked-down platform in 194 day
Submitted 1 month ago by FirmDistribution@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
mikedd@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There’s this… commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It specifies the European market, not sure how well it’ll play with Canadian service providers. I’ll have to wait and see before dropping $1000 (before shipping) on it. VoLTE is pretty much required here and last I heard that was tricky for Linux phones
For now I have GrapheneOS on a Pixel 8 Pro, but I’ll keep an eye on this one to see if it’ll be compatible in Canada
AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Also waiting for this! Would love to get TOH, but doesn’t look too promising currently.
shane@feddit.nl 1 month ago
I mean, there are Purism phones. Super expensive, but they keep selling out so I guess they are reasonable.
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I have one, and while the actual features are nice, the constant overheating and incredibly slow responses on the phone are reminiscent of a brick laptop from the early '00s
Chaser@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Just told them my opinion. Maybe you want too?
morto@piefed.social 1 month ago
Are there any details on how it will be implemented? Will it affect older versions or just new/updated devices?
plyth@feddit.org 1 month ago
VPNs will be forbidden, age will be verified.
Coincidence that all are gaining traction?
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In the meantime port linux OSs to be easilly installable on Android devices
biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Also how do we get our hands on the geniuses behimd this fiasco ?
lxsameer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So, does it mean that degooglized android phones will suffer as well?
jungfred@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
This will take effect for google “certified” phones. If you’re using a custom rom with no gapps (including play services) installed, you will most likely be not affected.
If some of your apps rely on play services, i can heavily recommend microg as replacement for it.
sqgl@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Do I have to install microg or graphene or whatever on my Google Pixel before that date or miss the boat?
Have been putting it off.
DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
Not yet, but surely AOSP distros are in the crosshairs next if they’re not already.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 month ago
The average user won’t notice any difference.
workerONE@lemmy.world 1 month ago
IMO the big problem with this is for old APKs that were created before this new developer registration requirement- you won’t be able to install them at all without rooting or using a different vanilla Android version.
I don’t see that it really prohibits new app development or install.
There would be a problem if their developer registration process was difficult or used as a restriction somehow to govern who can register. But if they just require that developer’s real identities are known to Google is really a matter of developer privacy, am I wrong?
What is the upside to this, to prevent scammers from anonymously streaming people’s money with fake apps?
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
can i walk around this by simply never updating my phone? been (not?) doing that for a year already anyways
yes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Will most likely not be a problem short-term but over time there will be apps that will require a newer OS version than the one you are stuck on and not stop running.
The main reason you should not do that is because of known security issues that are not fixed in your old install. So you are opening yourself up to being vulnerable for malicious software.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 month ago
This is why we should use things like GPL.
OptimusPrime@lemmy.moonling.nl 1 month ago
Well, Europe will fix this for sure.
Safetyshaft@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think it’s hilarious that the site recommends filing antitrust actions with the US Dept of Justice.
That office is currently amongst the most corrupt, compromised and against doing anything good in the US Govt.
knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s a shame webos got bought and turned into a tv os. It would shine on modern hardware.
Jeremylikesbourbon@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Palm pixi was my favorite phone ever and I used it up until like 2019.
mlg@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m using Rocknix on an android handheld and it feels so powerful to be running 6.18 mainline kernel with all the modern features I want despite having to build stuff from source since the package manager only has a small list of stuff mostly meant for networking (Entware).
Even though its in beta for my device (AYn Thor), it works so well after only 4 months of development that I’m genuinely reaching the point of perma install and removing the stock Android install from the device.
I would pay cold hard cash for an OEM to do the same with PostmarketOS. Throw in proper open source kernel modules and use Steam’s upcoming waydroid fork for Android compatibility, and then throw that sucker in the market and watch Google try to litigate it out of existence.
mal3oon@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I hardly think an OEM would do this, no incentives. It needs to be crowdfunded by us. It’s just China is the only manufacturing hub, and we all know, china is not too keen on freedom, and letting go of control. One can hope.
ushmel@piefed.world 1 month ago
Really no point in having an android anymore, might as well as get the iphone
Solrac@lemmy.world 1 month ago
From one semi-closed garden to a fully closed gaden? Might as well try Lineage or e/OS
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 month ago
gonna buy a couple pigeons and some thumb drives.
ushmel@piefed.world 1 month ago
Haven’t tried with a custom for a while but I’ve heard good things about lineage
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Was there ever? If you’re gonna pay iPhone prices but get weaker hardware and they sell your personal data, why not just get an iPhone? Custom launcher? Better keyboard? Certainly valid reasons, but I just don’t see the value.
Way I see it, my iPhone is a pocket version of my Mac. A computer sold as an actual computer, not a vector to sweep up my personal data and sell it to the highest bidder.
Never got down with Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or any of that shit. Yes, I know, I’m the weird one. And I’m okay with that.
Zak@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Way I see it, my iPhone is a pocket version of my Mac.
The thing is, you can install software from whatever source you like on your Mac. That’s not true of your iPhone - even in the EU and Japan where they’ve been forced to open up a little, apps can only be installed with Apple’s permission.
Macs were completely open in that regard until recently. You could install apps from wherever you want. Now, Mac apps have to be notarized by Apple or installing them requires use of the command line. That’s obnoxious, but the user still has the final say, unlike the iPhone.
ushmel@piefed.world 1 month ago
I haven’t even used a custom keyboard or launcher since Pixels became a thing.
postnataldrip@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sadly many won’t care, but for those that do it removes one of the key differentiators. Plus it’s kind of hard to trust a company that has had such a wild change in values - Apple have at least been consistent.
dissentiate@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Tim Cook is a billionaire. I trust him no more than any other billionaire.
Lest anyone forgets, he’s put money into Trumps inauguration fund, and if I remember correctly, some other things as well.
I’ll keep grabbing refurbished, carrier unlocked androids from Backmarket, and load GrapheneOS on em.
dmtalon@infosec.pub 1 month ago
That’s what I’m thinking, been on pretty much straight Google since my Samsung Galaxy Nexus, moto g 2013 Google edition, then all pixels, but I’ve got / love my MacBook Pro and having an iPhone would probably complement that a bit.
clone_ix@feddit.org 1 month ago
You can put this on a Nothing CMF Phone 1 btw.
Rippin_Farts_And_Or_Breaking_Hearts@lemmy.org 1 month ago
You can also buy it preinstalled on a fairphone through Murena’s website. And the bootloader is locked.
I understand installing e/os yourself sometimes gets you stuck with an unlocked bootloader. I have no idea if that’s true for Nothing phones, but thought I’d post up an alternative for those concerned about that.
jayrar@lemy.lol 1 month ago
I don’t understand why most people consider that having the bootloader locked is so important. You’ll get a terrifying warning message when you start your phone. But without a physical access to your phone and your password, no one can do anything.
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Im not convinced that this will make a difference. Just “calling your representatives” response is so low energy.
Rennmaeuserich@feddit.org 1 month ago
Guys, can’t we Just use e/OS? I thougt it wouldn’t be affected?
Rippin_Farts_And_Or_Breaking_Hearts@lemmy.org 1 month ago
Hoping that phones running e/OS wouldn’t count as certified android devices anymore. Especially if they don’t have Google Play Services on them.
“Starting in September 2026, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed on certified Android devices”
eleefece@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Mayube it’s time to bring back MeeGo
Sxan@piefed.zip 1 month ago
It was þis which prompted me to take þe plunge and order an FLX1s. I’ve been completely off Android for two weeks now. Mobile Linux is coming along just in time. Maybe just barely; I wouldn’t recommend Phosh to anyone but enthusiasts, but it’s getting þere, if slowly.
Xyphius@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
you forgot one.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Because it’s useless, like the TSA.
Sxan@piefed.zip 1 month ago
I often do. It’s a hobby, not a lifestyle.
doug@lemmy.today 1 month ago
They’re gonna take away my Projectivy, aren’t they? 😔
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 month ago
First I’m hearing of this launcher. Definately gonna download the apks.
doug@lemmy.today 1 month ago
I’m in PDX and setting a webcam as my TV launcher’s background has been the coziest, bestest thing ever. Way better than the default page o’ ads.
Catnipchewer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
F-droid will stop working I imagine?
Landless2029@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Everyone is talking about getting a fairphone and whatnot but I’m concerned about the open source apk communities shutting down since the market share and interest is killed by this.
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My main issue is losing YouTube ReVanced. I refuse to pay for Premium! Especially to one of the wealthiest companies in the world!
kablez@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have been thinking this for some time, why not just have a certified burner phone or tablet and then a free phone as your main?
Realistically most of us have to install shitty insecure apps to survive in this modern world, but that doesn’t mean all our personal data and stuff has to be on the same device.
For the cost of one brand new top model phone, you could probably get a low-mid certified device and a decent Fairphone or equivcalent.
kamen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sometimes even just one phone is too much.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I only have so many pockets. I prefer to travel light and without a bag if possible
wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Sounds like you should invest in additional pockets. They’re pretty great.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
its the reason why i turned off auto software updates on my phone
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Feels a lot more interesting to just pick up a feature phone, and use it as a hotspot modem for a laptop.
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 month ago
which can do this? its my dream thing. I think I may have seen it but they were priced kinda redic.
kosanovskiy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So what other os that is supported with security updates and still works with whatapp/fb/insta sideloading is there? For me the security support and access to messaging apps is most important since that is what i use mostly. Any ideas?
Zak@lemmy.world 1 month ago
- Google has announced that a workflow for advanced users to install whatever they want will remain, but hasn’t published details. Many people don’t entirely trust them about this.
- Third-party Android builds like LineageOS won’t be affected. These need a device with an unlockable bootloader. They can run any Android app that doesn’t intentionally sabotage them (some banking apps do this).
- Linux distributions for phones exist, and can run Android apps via Waydroid. This provides the most freedom for the user, but the highest effort. This is mainly suited for Linux hobbyists right now.
3t13nn3@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I thought installing apps through ADB will still be possible ? So we can assume it will be possible with shizuku ?
FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I’m assuming that this would apply to any “flavor” of android? So Graphene is not immune from this?
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
From what I’ve heard, google free android versions won’t be effected.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What if I have an android installation that has google, but I watch one of those videos on youtube that says “degoogle your android phone”? Is that enough? Or will I need a full installation that has no google right from the start?
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m doing my part ! Mail send with help from fdroid.
hornedfiend@piefed.social 1 month ago
I’m on the fence with getting a new phone. Should I buy something now, like a Pixel 10 or Fairphone 6 and flash Graphene/eOs on it, or wait for next gen which might have these restrictions?
Programman4233@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Out of the loop here. How can google lockdown an open-source operating system? I know they are involved in developing it because it benefits them, but does that mean they own it?
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 month ago
They are locking down “certified” phones. You don’t have to have a “certified” phone, but if it is not certified, a lot of sensitive apps (Google wallet, third-party banking apps, for example) won’t work.
So all the major manufacturers are going to push certified phones, which are going to make it difficult to use non-certified apps.