How I imagine those crying "i tHouGHT StAr Trek WAs suPPosEd tO bE a UtOPia"

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• ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think the writers screwed up the Borg when they added the queen.

  They would be a much better antagonist if they they remained just a collective as they would be a dark mirror of the federation, by having unity and collectivism without diversity and freedom, and could complement the Ferengi, which could have been the federation’s dark mirror with superficial level freedom marred by hyper-indivualism.

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  • mvirts@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It would be even better if in addition the borg only offered assimilation to individuals by choice, defending their right to join with overwhelming force and leaving everyone else alone. There would be a whole moral to-do about prisoners choosing the collective and the borg showing up to get them and then the Starfleet people who are lonely decide to go and then someone thinks they need to save one of those people so they go in with a plan to destroy the collective from within but realize that everyone is there by choice and they have the option to leave but don’t.

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    • Vinapocalypse@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If the Borg behaved like the hive-mind from Pluribus - friendly but compelled to assimilate (“Everyone is happy here, we promise”) - I think that would have been a lot more interesting in the same way it makes Pluribus so interesting

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  • militaryintelligence@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Originally I took it as being imperfect, as they weren’t as perfect as they thought. They showed their hand, as it were.

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• Vinapocalypse@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t think the show ever claimed for it to be a utopia, but they have no homelessness, hunger, etc. at least on Earth and member worlds. That doesn’t mean there isn’t that outside the Federation or on distant colonies which tend to be left to their own devices. For instance, Tasha Yar’s homeworld was a failed colony. We don’t know at what point it failed or if/when the Federation stepped in.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    By DS9, it was bluntly stated that Earth was a utopia.

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    • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      DS9 also had martial law declared on Earth. Some characters may refer to Earth as a paradise, but you as a viewer are supposed to realize that’s a comfortable illusion.

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Which episode?

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• cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Expects utopian society, only watches first episode. Ignores every instance where things aren’t utopian / breaks rules.

  DS9 great example of non utopia. Shit TNG had a ton of examples of how Starfleet isn’t perfect and there’s still political bs.

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  • ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The best nostalgia is nostalgia for something that never existed in the first place.

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    • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I love TOS because Kirk was a renegade rule breaker who had lots of sex, and Spock was stoic and never showed emotion ever. Also is there a more iconic phrase than “Beam me up Scotty”?

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  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    DS9 great example of non utopia.

    It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

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    • homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

      It’s exactly this sort of moral complexity and nuance that gave Star Trek its best stories.

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s a great example of the struggles to achieve utopia and the decisions made in pursuit of those goals.

      YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM.

      Mr Worf, gas that planet.

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  • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hell, even by first episode standards, Voyager literally starts with the Maquis rebels. It’s right out the gate critical of the Federation’s utopia, haha.

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  • pimento64@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    DS9 was also an outlet for Rick Berman’s nasty misanthropy, he despises the world of Star Trek and loathes the idea of the Federation.

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• aeiou@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I swear there’s a subset of trekkies that gets mad at every episode that isn’t about figuring out how to pet alien puppies

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  • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not trying to encourage those people, but just speaking personally… I wouldn’t mind a spinoff that involved a gallant and diverse crew figuring out how to pet a different alien puppy every week.

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    • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Starring “Book” from Discovery.

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• Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All my base are belong to futile.

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  • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Borg were the good guys the whole time. History is simply written by the most violent and territorial species.

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  • Kirk@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    /r/thecollectivedidnothingwrong

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• lime@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  i mean, the Borg are just the Culture seen from outside

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  • Sibilantjoe@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What? No. The Culture is about individual freedom to a high degree, even the AIs (Minds) running the show are individuals that often disagree with each other about how to proceed.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      from inside it, yeah. but the people fighting against them don’t see that part. the first book makes it pretty clear that they see the culture as a ruthless unfeeling war machine that absorbs worlds into its ideology without consent.

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• Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m one of those, how can I help?

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