In my opinion, it’s (the service) self-hosted and not home-hosted.
Installing **self-hostable** services on a cloud server isn't self-hosting ???
Submitted 3 weeks ago by KaKi87@jlai.lu to selfhosted@lemmy.world
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talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This is a great way to say it. I feel the same. You put the same effort in regardless where it comes from.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Well, yes, but its physical location does make a difference. Having the bits that make up the backup of your life’s memories in the other room vs in some company’s datacenter who knows where is not the same thing.
(Not saying that running your own services on rented “cloud” hardware is inferior, I also do that)
Kaufman5000@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Yes Physical Locations matter a lot. But in both ways. I habe Backups in at Home and in the Cloud. Both Locations can get destroyed but ITS unliklry that both get destroy. Another Faktor ist Internet Connection. If your Internet Connection ist Dual Stack lite, you cant Access your Home Network via ipv4 or hast a very low bandwith. And with ssh its irrelevant If the Server ist 2 Meters from me or 20km.
cenzorrll@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
I can agree with this. My internet is trash, and I refuse to go with the faster provider in the area on principle (they took municipal funds to bring faster internet in the mid 2000s and didn’t do a thing until over a decade later), so I can’t feasibly share anything outside of my household users. I’m seriously considering setting up some hosted services if I can’t get fiber when I’ve nailed down my setup. I’d rather host everything at home, but I’d much rather offer my relatives access to something that isn’t selling their info to anyone with a checkbook. If I’m maintaining it and I’m the one who can accidentally lose everyone’s stuff with a bad command, I’m self-hosting it.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Some things it makes sense to host in your home. Things like large media, home automation, etc. Some things it doesn’t. Like DNS, service that require large amounts of egress (most home internet is very asymmetric), anything with a more public face.
Generally it boils down to privacy and reliability. If it’s private, keep it home. If it needs more reliability, put it on a VPS.
My home hardware is just not reliable enough to host something critical. I have redundant systems but it might take a bit to get stuff back.
This idea of it not being self hosted because it’s on somebody else’s computer is just weird.
talentedkiwi@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I put my uptime kuma on the VPS to monitor my home infrastructure from the outside. Let’s me know when things go down much more reliably.
Dumpdog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This idea of it not being** self** hosted because it’s on somebody else’s computer is just weird.
kumi@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
Right. Then if this would have been locally hosted, it’s like complaining about the service of their electricity company or ISP. Could similarly be reasonably considered on- or offtopic. But I think this sub is more in the spirit of “there is no cloud, just someone elses computer”. I’m with mod on this one.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, if you want to stir the pot, there are heavy discussions on both sides of the fence. Personally, I don’t get all pedantic about it. To quote Ice Cube; ‘Do your thing man, fuck what they looking at’.
As far as your post being deleted, it seems to be arbitrary at times and rather silent when courteous inquiries are made.
KaKi87@jlai.lu 3 weeks ago
Well, I noticed my post got moderated when I wasn’t able to reply to you, so here’s my reply :
The very first Linux server I ever stood up got whacked. I got a nastygram from my host that he had shut it down because of malicious activity against other servers. So, from their standpoint, I can understand why.
Yes, but they should warn before shutting down, give you at least a few hours to speak for yourself.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yes, but they should warn before shutting down,
IDK, if I were running the show, I’d probably have done the same thing especially when it started to involve other servers. I would assume that there would be some legal ramifications should it have just been ignored. It would have been good to observe to see if I could come up with who the puppeteer was, but I was super green then and probably wouldn’t have known where to start as far as forensics. I mean, if you get hacked, the knee jerk reaction is to pull the plug, but it would be more productive to do some forensics before killing the server.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
When you say moderated, do you mean a comment or did you do another post? if its a comment is that something your instance does? or did it just fail to send. you peaked my curiosity because I wasn’t aware of instances filtering comments, only posts.
K3can@lemmy.radio 3 weeks ago
In my opinion, “self-hosted” means that you host it yourself.
Running services in the cloud (i.e. someone else is hosting it) isn’t the same as hosting it yourself.
Just have fun, though. Not everyone is in a situation where they can self host. Just do what works for you.
Oisteink@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Imo it’s hosting stuff for yourself or your family. In cloud or closet. If you have an advanced nas and you set up shares so everyone in the house can use it, it’s self-hosted storage. If you set up an iCloud account its not. If you rent vps, manage firewalls and reverse proxies and host your stuff there it’s selfhosting. If you use digital ocean or aws and do it for yourself its selfhosting. Saas isnt self hosting
anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
While I don’t believe IaaS to be selfhosting I do believe self-managed services on IaaS should be allowed here. It’s the same software stack and requires the same skills so both parties gain from having the discussion in the same place.
Not because I think selfhosting is a badge but because I think it makes sense to call things for what they are.But I’m an old grumpy who thinks ovo-lakto vegetarians shouldn’t have been allowed to steal the meaning of vegetarian or vegetarians steal it from vegans (and now we no longer got a word to describe old school vegans that makes it a lifestyle not a diet.)
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
If you control the backend, it’s self hosted. Sounds like a candidate for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Honestly, do we need a legal definition of what “self hosting” is and what isn’t?
I didn’t see your post and in the modlog I can only see it’s title: “Apparently I’m into Web3, says Netcup” [ed: Netcup is a hosting company].
If your post was discussing stuff specific to your hosting provider, then the mods did well in removing it - if you were talking about things that would have interested this community, then they have probably been too rash in removing the post.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Technically no, because it’s cloud-hosted infrastructure. Businesses usually call this IaaS, Infrastructure as a Service.
But it’s still a good way to build your own services that you can possibly trust more than public cloud services. IMO posts about setting up your own trusted services could be valuable content for the community even if you set it up on the cloud.
monkeyman512@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I would be inclined to think that if you are just renting a machine or VM and all the configuration/maintenance is your problem it would be close enough. But I am not a mod and don’t want to be.
eleijeep@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
The great thing about Lemmy is that if we don’t like the moderation policies of an existing community, we can just make a new one with the same name on another instance. With blackjack and VPSs.
pory@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“The cloud” is somebody else’s computer. Somebody else leases you the space and compute, somebody else can turn the physical machine off or terminate your access to their service. Self-hosting is about removing as many somebody-elses as possible (you’re still on the hook for stuff like power and an ISP, though a lot of self-hosted stuff is also designed to function purely offline so it’s just power for that stuff).
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
though a lot of self-hosted stuff is also designed to function purely offline so it’s just power for that stuff
Taken to an extreme: Something about those websites and services running off-grid on renewable energy just makes me giddy.
emax_gomax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You don’t have a mini generator in your home lab XD.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
To me personally self hosted means the only way the service / files can be taken from me, is to physically enter my house and take the HD
Anything shy of that I don’t fully consider self hosting.
Not because I’m gate keeping, it’s just that I don’t trust any corporation, and the minute they are involved, enschitification is inevitable
KaKi87@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Yet they’re already in your home.
zo0@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Is it self hosting? No.
Does it matter? Idk.
By definition, the cloud provider is hosting you. It’s not about being good or bad it just is. If the mod deemed your question to be irrelevant to the community then idk maybe it does matter in this context.
Mondez@lemdro.id 3 weeks ago
I’d argue that it’s self managed but not self hosted, it’s still running on somone elses computer and they ultimately control what you can and cant do with it. The distinction is murky though because a lot of the discussion here is about managing services rather than the hosting infrastructure (though of course there is some of that too).
aichan@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
To me, it is not. If the internet or anything else goes down you lose all access. You are not hosting your services, so claiming to be SELF-hosting is not really accurate.
Furthermore, in the phylosophical aspect, you depend on a private company for all your infrastructure and are not doing anything against the centralization of the internet. To me, this is one of the core reasons I self-host. Maybe we need to make new terms for this, but allowing anything under the corporate cloud umbrella to be called SELF-hosting seems bad to me.
KaKi87@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
If the internet or anything else goes down you lose all access.
That’s also the case when your home connection or electricity goes down and you’re not on site.
If that’s not a concern, then you don’t need to self-host, you just need a desktop app.
Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This feels like a bad faith argument. If the internet goes down, I will be able to access my servers and my data. If those services were hosted in the cloud, I wouldn’t not be able to access my data at all. Obviously one is better than the other.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m not a mod but, to me I see self hosting as maintaining your own setup. If it’s hosted in a cloud you still are maintaining the setup you are just offloading hardware responsibilities to someone else.
It’s not like you are signing up for google photos and then saying “yo guys I have my own photos self hosted”, you still are putting the pain and suffering into making it work, you just aren’t worrying about the hardware or network requirements (outside of security)
Being said, some people firmly see "“self-hosting” as you buy the parts, install and configure everything and it’s coming out of your house.
It’s a sticky situation, imo that type of ideology also throws any type of using a DNS/DDOS host out the window as well., but again YMMV depending on who you ask.
I definitly think if you are installing -> configuring -> maintaining and then -> using. you meet the definition of self hosting.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Host can take your data and shut you down. Not SELF hosted. Same as business not calling it on PREM hosting when they do the same.
KaKi87@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
your deleted post was the one about your current external host provider dropping you due to heavy load(they were eco friendly) right?
I did not do any of the sh*it they accuse me of. I want to be eco-friendly too. That’s one of the primary reasons why I self-host and write code.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Stop giving the purists cred here.
If it works for you, use it. Christ.
Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
it’s not really a question of working or not, is it? it’s a question of what words mean. if somebody says why isn’t an orange considered an apple, it’s perfectly normal to say it’s because they’re two different things. you wouldn’t say, “do what works for you, make an apple pie with oranges”, would you?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So why don’t we just rename the group to “Puritan Self-Hostinf Only”? Where is your line?
KaKi87@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Of course. I’m only asking because of my post being removed for apparently not following the rules.
fozid@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
i think that would be called remote hosting or cloud hosting? self-hosting is where you host the services your self, without third party hardware or systems.
beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
If they can cut you off or go down, then I’d argue it’s not self hosted.
Osan@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think it considered self-hosting as in self-hosting services/software but not the hardware.
I’m currently using a VPS for multiple reasons. Hardware is kinda expensive where I’m currently living. And due to CGNAT I would need to setup a tailscale node or VPN etc somewhere else anyway. Also home internet isn’t reliable at all here and I may need to access my stuff when outside and regardless if my internet is acting up or there’s a blackout.
Although in the future I’m planning on migrating to a dual setup where my core server lives at home and the public front (along with some smaller services and apps) is on a VPS.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It seems fair to me
goatinspace@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
No
fizzle@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
IDK what’s happened to you or why your post got removed.
Obviously “self-hosting” as a term is broad and subjective.
IMO this community discusses hosting services in an environment where you’re responsible for installing, configuring, and maintaining your own stuff.
A purist might argue that self-hosting doesn’t include services residing on a VPS, but what’s the point of excluding those discussions from this community? In practical terms the nature of the activity is the same.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I mean by definition it isn’t self hosting as someone else is hosting the service for you.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
You’re welcome to your own definition.
Whether you’re configuring a docker container running on a server in your basement or on a VPS the issues you encounter are going to be much the same. The definition of self-hosted isn’t really relevant.
If you want to exclude people running services on rented hardware that just seems dumb.
Decronym@lemmy.decronym.xyz 3 weeks ago
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
Fewer Letters More Letters CGNAT Carrier-Grade NAT DNS Domain Name Service/System NAT Network Address Translation VPN Virtual Private Network VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)
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pory@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why do I see this comment when I have lemmy’s “hide bots” flag set?
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I can see it both ways.
HybridSarcasm@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Your post was removed because it wasn’t about any self-hosted applications, services, or infrastructure. Instead, you were complaining about the customer support of a VPS provider.
A case could be made that Rule 7 should have been cited, instead of Rule 3.
KaKi87@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Alright, I guess I should have rather made a post like PSA: beware of Netcup, they shut you down on suspicion of doing stuff against their ToS whether it’s actually the case or not and without giving you a warning tp respond.
irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
meh…I wouldn’t get too crunk about it. If you’re here for any length of time, you’re bound to have a few mod deleted posts.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i donno i think you’re self hosting if you’re the admin
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Your hosting but not self hosting.
nottelling@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Woah TIL that because I’m admin, I’m self hosting an entire enterprise of nearly 50,000 users.
Dumpdog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If OP was self-hosting they wouldn’t have had a problem with their hosting provider.
megaman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
As someone runnings things out of my basement computers, i have a lot of problems with my hosting provider