Well exactly. The only reason we have vaccines is because of disease.
Throw the baby out with the bathwater
Submitted 22 hours ago by Forester@pawb.social to [deleted]
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serpineslair@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Forester@pawb.social 22 hours ago
One of the earliest documented cases of variolation involved a Buddhist nun (bhikkhuni) between 1022 and 1063 CE. She ground smallpox scabs into a fine powder and administered it through the nostrils of an uninfected person to promote immunity.
s@piefed.world 22 hours ago
Isolated moments of reason are not due to institutions of unreason. Rather, they are in spite of them.
pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
What does that have to do with religion
daannii@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Buddism, which is an agnostic religion, does currently and historically promote science And scholar work.
They might literally be the only religion to do this.
db2@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Maybe if you guys hadn’t pooped in the bathwater for centuries it might be worth saving. But as usual it’s everyone else’s fault, isn’t it.
Forester@pawb.social 22 hours ago
You might need to check your reading comprehension.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Right? Who saves bathtubs?
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Science is for things we can prove, religion is for things we want to believe.
Why not use science when possible and religion when needed?
Everyone is free to believe in the funny old man controlling us and still accept that atoms exist.
These things are not mutually exclusive. And if they are to you, that’s probably because you’re a dick about it.
notreallyhere@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
yes, but satanism specifically
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 22 hours ago
Also speaking for the US, aspects of the civil rights movement and other positive political movements have at times been critically dependent on religious organization… and I have no interests in defending organized religion, I don’t consider myself religious but the reality is much more complex than “religion dumb science smart”.
For one, the concept of evolution and then genetics absolutely supercharged racism and honestly Science had little capability to mitigate it. The 20th century may have gone very differently if Scientific leaders had immediately resoundingly rejected eugenics at an ideological level rather than attempt to differentiate what they studied from "race ““science”” in the details. In otherwords, Science was incapable of equipping the followers of its ideology with the systematic tools to resist fascism and oppression whereas you can easily demonstrate various different religious groups that were instrumental in resisting fascism and oppression.
Religion isn’t the point, from a scientific perspective religion is relevant because people imbue it with belief and that should be respected for the reality that creates, the point isn’t that god exists or doesn’t honestly I think no question could be more boring to a true scientist who would know such questions by definition cannot be answered. A true scientist is also driven by a love for the universe that is around them, and ultimately that isn’t too different than someone who is truly religious at the core of the human experience of it.
Organized religions are always two things, the religion itself and the political structure of the religion and in many cases those political structures can be very hostile to Science, but I do not believe inherently so and I do not believe it is a lack of Scientific thinking that allows the political structures of religion to become hostile towards Science since Science cannot even prevent the internal structures it is built upon from becoming hostile to itself.
It is funny that the more you talk about “science” and the more you talk about “religion” the more universally relevant yet irrelevant the words become, the reality always escapes a single word like that…
srasmus@slrpnk.net 22 hours ago
Science is only antithetical to religion if you define religion as only “blind superstition” or science as more than “a system of identifying expected outcomes of experiments”.
Mr_Fish@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Religious people (especially monotheistic religions, not sure about pantheistic ones like Hinduism) have more reason to study science than non religious people. Everyone can get practical value from studying the world, but religious people also study science to learn more about God.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 22 hours ago
Science doesn’t touch any “why” questions at all so you’re perfectly free to believe in some god who made things be the way they are. Now some of the shit in the bible though…
rumschlumpel@feddit.org 22 hours ago
LOL, “anthetical”
s@piefed.world 22 hours ago
The only reason we have the Emancipation Proclamation is because of institutionalized slavery
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
How come you get upvotes and op gets downs?
s@piefed.world 19 hours ago
Because OP used bad logic to promote an idea and I deftly satirized that by using the same bad logic in a way which clearly and humorously shows it to be fallacious