EU next, please.
China Is Banning Tesla-Style Retractable Door Handles Over Safety Concerns
Submitted 13 hours ago by dantheclamman@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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xeekei@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
Quazatron@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Should not have allowed them in the first place.
Anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Thus is the old debate between Allow list versus Deny list.
On an Allow list system, everything is forbiden exceot what’s explicitly allowed, while on a Deny list, everything is allowed except what’s explicitly forbidden.
Aviation companies work mostly on Allow list system, meaning even small changes and improvements require certification before it’s approved for use. If this system was in use by car companies, the consequences would be similar, only 2 or 3 companies worldwide, making a few models each, all of them much more expensive than what they are now.
I’m glad that the automotive industry works mostly on a Deny list system. It keeps the barrier to entry lower for new manufacturers, innovation is faster and competition keeps prices reasonable.
Occasionally, issues like this pop up, requiring a ban, but in this industry I prefer this than the alternative.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 6 hours ago
Bright headlights and combined brake/turn signals too please
sefra1@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Don’t get me started on that, stupid direct led brakes lights should be outright illegal. They literally blind every following car behind, specially if the windshield is dirty or foggy.
How those damn things got approved in the first place is
beyond my understandingcorruption.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Is it really that hard to make one of those recessed handles buy with mechanical linkage instead of an electric one?
Seems like the real issue is the electric door latch itself, not the style of handle.
artyom@piefed.social 1 hour ago
Yeah, it’s hard. How is it going to come out while there’s nothing to grab on to?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 hour ago
You press on it, tons of Chinese cars already do this.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Tesla whined about it citing all the crap they’d have to work around in their design in order to make a normal mechanical linkage. Funny how no other upper tier manufacturer has trouble with all the power windows and window power pre-offsetting for interference fits. They manage to have mechanical linkages.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Yeah I’m not shocked major car company with the least amount of experience in mechanical engineering had that issue.
Give that to a team of 90’s Honda engineers and they’d have it done by lunch with a price tag a 1/3rd of the Tesla mechanism.
3abas@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
That doesn’t follow. The 3 and y both have mechanical handles that only close flush by a spring for aerodynamics. Literally every manufacturer has copied that in at least one model.
Only the s, x, and CT have retractable handles, and it’s mostly Chinese cars that copy that.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
These recessed handles usually have some sort of fallback. For me, I don’t want rescuers to have a single second of uncertainty of how to open my car. They should be able to quickly yank the door open, not fumble for some recessed/hidden button. Every second counts.
gustofwind@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Must be nice having a functional government
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Americans are going to mandate retractable handles in response
determinist@kbin.earth 11 hours ago
extra handles, 2 handles per door, bigger handles, bigger extra handles
phar@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I don’t think China or the US would be called nice in this regard.
gustofwind@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Well, the US is very nice to corporations which is why they’re often left to self regulate, are regulated by former industry insiders, or are barely regulated through fines and settlements
So yeah I suppose in this regard China is not being nice but being nice doesn’t effectively regulate corporations. This is in fact a good example of a functional government doing its job
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
There is a large demand for Teslas in China believe it or not. Very possible this is just motivated by trying to favor Chinese automakers more so than out of genuine safety concerns.
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
It all depends on the details, I kid the article is blatantly wrong
All Tesla models use flush, electronically actuated handles that blend into the bodywork
I believe this is only the model s and x, a small minority of their vehicles.
My model y has a physically presented handle - you press on one side to pop out the other - NOT electronic self-presenting. I believe that’s true of model 3 and y, the vast majority of teslas.
That being said, there’s several things this may mean. Is it just the self-presenting they don’t like? What about buttons like on the cybertruck? What about the manual operated handle like on the model 3 and y? Or is the important part the electronic latch mechanism internally? I have no idea what safety features that has.
If it’s literally just the self-presenting handles on the high end models like the article mentions, that’s probably no big deal. They don’t sell many of those and the model x especially is way overdue for redesign or to be ended. Hopefully it’s more than they though
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I still feel the handles where you have to press to make it appear are unintuitive and an example of form over safety. I have used them in Ubers and I always have a quarter second remembering how to open them. I don’t want a first responder to have to deal with that delay.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Good.
kokesh@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
As should the rest of the world.
positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I remember noting the bad handles and windows when sitting in one.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I still wouldn‘t willingly enter a Chinese car or a Tesla.
Anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
I have a chinese car from GWM, the build quality is on par with most european brands. and by that I mean it beats the living shit out of american meakers +Fiat.
sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
I’ll engage in good faith: why not?
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Probably because one uses slaves in the manufacturing process, and the other has the Elon musk affiliation
bananabread@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
One of them is safe
mannycalavera@feddit.uk 10 hours ago
Eww. Not without their consent I hope.
Jackusflackus@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
As they should, stupid over complicated and absolutely failure ridden unnecessary design
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Musk nearly bankrupted Tesla when he insisted that the door handles must be flush after stealing the company from its original founders.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I mean, “stealing” is a strong word. Elon bought them out, and they’re both enjoying a net worth in the hundreds of million.
What’s more disturbing about Elon’s tenure as head of the company is how social media manipulation, insider trading, and blatant SEC violations can pump a company’s valuation into the stratosphere.
Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard both continued to contribute advances in engineering that far exceeded the Tesla project. But they’ll never have the kind of easy credit Elon secured through politics and media manipulation.
hopesdead@startrek.website 12 hours ago
It’s already fucked up that he legally gets to call himself a co-founder for simply being on the board.
dantheclamman@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I have long observed that moving parts, particularly involving motors, are destined to give me grief as a car ages. The difference is that little motorized interior luxuries aren’t going to prevent people from pulling my unconscious body out of a burning wreck, while these door handles have for dozens of people