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Comment on China Is Banning Tesla-Style Retractable Door Handles Over Safety Concerns

Anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Thus is the old debate between Allow list versus Deny list.

On an Allow list system, everything is forbiden exceot what’s explicitly allowed, while on a Deny list, everything is allowed except what’s explicitly forbidden.

Aviation companies work mostly on Allow list system, meaning even small changes and improvements require certification before it’s approved for use. If this system was in use by car companies, the consequences would be similar, only 2 or 3 companies worldwide, making a few models each, all of them much more expensive than what they are now.

I’m glad that the automotive industry works mostly on a Deny list system. It keeps the barrier to entry lower for new manufacturers, innovation is faster and competition keeps prices reasonable.

Occasionally, issues like this pop up, requiring a ban, but in this industry I prefer this than the alternative.

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applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is kind of a bad faith black and white argument. No one is arguing for a draconian regulation of car designs. There’s already a system of regulations and review in place for certifying new car designs are safe and compliant with regulations, and the danger this design introduces in the event of an emergency should have prevented it from being certified safe for use. Any idiot can see with 30 seconds of thought that a car door you need power to open is inherently unsafe and will get people killed in situations where a manual door wouldn’t. It’s like arguing car manufacturers should be allowed to install a gun in the middle of every airbag that shoots the passenger in the event of a crash just because there’s no regulation specifically banning them from doing it. That’s not how the law works and it’s not how safety regulations work.

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drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Honest question - why do you prefer this?

There’s nothing bleeding edge in cars these days except for security and drive train features. I have 2 cars - new EV and 15 year old economy Toyota and honestly aside from drive train itself there’s nothing I can find in the new car that makes me feel like my old car is missing something important.

Car technology has stagnated so bad that “deny list” approach makes no sense since the innovation potential is so incredibly poor. We lose safety and uniform UX for what? Fashion? It’s kinda stupid.

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- CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Almost like we’ve already pretty much optimized the design and trying to fix what isn’t broken just leads to stupid consiquences?
  
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vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

If this system was in use by car companies, the consequences would be similar, only 2 or 3 companies worldwide, making a few models each, all of them much more expensive than what they are now.

And, as it happens, those 2 or 3 companies not really following the regulations, practically employing inspectors instead. Like Boeing.

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bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
EU has an allow system, which is the reason the CyberTrucks is not on the EU market. It would not be able to pass the safety requirements if they attempted.

On a similar note, the EU also has an allow system for all vehicles already on the road. Every single vehicle is inspected every two years, with the first check for new cars being after 4 years. This system keeps older rusty cars away from the roads.

Tesla’s other models have an issue passing even the first test. It’s the brand with the highest failing rate of all car brands.

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